AJ will surpass Mike Tyson as an ATG if he beats Usyk

[BodyBagz]

How can a guy be considered an ATG without an ATG win ?
Usyk would be just as successful (if not more) as Mike was, but no one here thinks he's an ATG.

Mike's resume is hysterical.
When he wins, he's prime.
When he loses, he's shot.

[BodyBagz]

Mike was the baddest man on the planet. AJ isn’t even one of the baddest men of his era.

Seriously, imagine what a prime late 80’s Tyson does to C level Andy Ruiz Jr.

Behave yourself Nonce Em this is a ****** thread even by your standards.

Andy would have swept up everyone Mike beat.
Mike's resume was not difficult.

[Toffee]

I watched Tyson-Douglas the other day.

Both of them would've knocked Joshua out.

Tokyo Douglas might have done. Tokyo Tyson wasn't much of a matchup for anyone.

Joshua might be stiff, but he's stiff and 6'6. Tyson was stiff, slow, out of shape and 5'11.

The fact that fight was such an upset means that people don't talk about how dominant Douglas was. He was so much better than Tyson.

[Toffee]

No way, especially when you take into account how quickly Tyson took out a lot of the guys he fought. AJs best win is a late KO in a competitive war vs a Wlad who was older than the Holmes Tyson beat in 4, and unlike Holmes, Wlad never fought after the loss. I would say Tubbs, Bruno, Berbick and Carl Williams were better than Povetkin, Parker, Whyte, Ruiz, Pulev too and Tyson took em all out inside of 5 rounds.

Inside of five rounds doesn't really mean anything. That was Tyson's style. Ranking those guys above the fighters on AJ's resume is pretty subjective... they're all in the titlist to fringe contender range.

As for Holmes v Wlad, Holmes was really retired. Like properly retired and making a comeback. Wlad not fighting on afterwards doesn't mean that he couldn't have done so... after all he was ranked as the second best heavyweight in the world after the Joshua fight.

I think it's close. People just don't like to accept that if AJ were to beat Usyk... he's right in the conversation.

Did someone earlier really say he's not in the top 5 of his era?

[Good ol' Douglas]

LMAO at anyone ducking a bum like Wilder.

It’s proven that all Wilder fans have a combined IQ of 50.

The Hearns protected AJ from Wilder intentionally and used Whyte as a shield. Did AJ, as a fighter, duck Wilder? Hard to say.

[BodyBagz]

Mike is so overrated it's hysterical.
He is the Kanye West of boxing.

Fans fell in love with his no socks rushing to the ring shtick.
Didn't ever beat anyone special (Mike fought and beat the worst version of Holmes).

[Earl-Hickey]

AJ has an uphill battle for sure but if he does manage to beat Usyk the perception of him will change once again to a very good heavyweight who is prone to have off nights.

[BodyBagz]

AJ has an uphill battle for sure but if he does manage to beat Usyk the perception of him will change once again to a very good heavyweight who is prone to have off nights.

AJ will have to really dominate Usyk like he did Andy.
Simply winning isn't enough.

[Toffee]

AJ will have to really dominate Usyk like he did Andy.
Simply winning isn't enough.

Absolute nonsense. Beating Usyk would be a great achievement.

It doesn't matter how you win titles. It's not like he's trying to earn a shot at someone.

[BodyBagz]

Absolute nonsense. Beating Usyk would be a great achievement.

It doesn't matter how you win titles. It's not like he's trying to earn a shot at someone.

Winning close leaves room for ?'s
Sry but the stakes are high and a close win won't do it.