AJ will surpass Mike Tyson as an ATG if he beats Usyk

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

There is no sport on this planet that has declined from the 80s. The HWs have got bigger and more athletic.

The biggest myth in boxing is that the "golden eras" of HW were when pretty much only Americans boxed.

You’ve got to factor in a level playing field though, if guys from the 80’s fought today, they’d have all the benefits of modern technology. They’d be much better athletes. You can’t make a fighter in a lab though- the AJ experiment tells us that.

Conversely, imagine guys like Povetkin without all the modern PED’s, he’d be even worse.

[Ry92]

- - U ain't even the smartest in a warehouse of produce.

Tygrrl and Deyonce can go pile drive themselves for the rest of their careers. AJ still in the unified title drivers seat making more $$$ than them combined while confident both turned down stupendous purses to fight him to fight each other for peanuts.

Your not the smartest on an ail then. Aj was suppose to beat ruiz heavily favored over a back up to an already supposed tailor made fight entry to the usa. Usyk looked like shh or avg max at hw vs no names or gatekeeper so again aj favored yet lost. Ever since ruiz the so called kille. Instict has vanished now his chin is there for wilder longer and quicker on feet right hand or fury whos quicker bigger and grown as fighter offensively

[The plunger man]

Well if Joshua does beat usyk then it’s a real turn around on his future HOF ratings as let’s be fair most don’t see him beating usyk in the rematch.......don’t forget Tyson was only ever 218lbs in his prime and although it would be a fight where if your a Joshua man you would be biting your nails the entire fight.....The size and power of Joshua should dictate this fight and who wins it........and before you say usyk was lighter.....Tyson is not usyk and a completely different style.....although Tyson could be lethal he was also one dimensional and seems to go into robot mode when ever a fight went past five round and most of his KO defences were against mediocre challengers......Tony tubbs , David bey , Carl Williams etc........when you actually looks at Tyson’s record as champion it’s hardly impressive when his 2 best wins were against an aged fighter in holmes and a light heavyweight michael spinks.

Usyk beat Joshua by using his supreme IQ and boxing ability
Holyfield beat Tyson by actually standing and trading with him and chopping him down.

so yes I would say if Joshua does beat usyk then for sure he’s above Tyson.

The question really should be if fury get’s chinned by whyte can we please stop this nonsense that fury is second coming of Ali ....he’s a con artist who has the weakest resume and only lives off the wilder saga ......who in turn has retired without fighting another top 5 to prove his good he was and potato body fury looks like he going to do the same thing

[hhh1200]

if aj beats usyk, he is back to neutral with another red mark on his resume....he'll have to beat fury and/or wilder to get to any sort of 'atg' talk right now...
meanwhile, if usyk beats aj again..then he is an atg already and only needs to run rings around fury (which he will do, easily) to cement THE HW ATG status.

Best response. He either goes up in flames with a few more defeats or his career takes a trajectory similar to Vlad and Lennox, both of who had early defeats. I believe AJ's career is more accelerated than theirs and definitely more than Baby Bottle Wilder and "Find me a soft touch or 2 before a meaningful fight." Fury.

[Ropss]

Well if Joshua does beat usyk then it’s a real turn around on his future HOF ratings as let’s be fair most don’t see him beating usyk in the rematch.......don’t forget Tyson was only ever 218lbs in his prime and although it would be a fight where if your a Joshua man you would be biting your nails the entire fight.....The size and power of Joshua should dictate this fight and who wins it........and before you say usyk was lighter.....Tyson is not usyk and a completely different style.....although Tyson could be lethal he was also one dimensional and seems to go into robot mode when ever a fight went past five round and most of his KO defences were against mediocre challengers......Tony tubbs , David bey , Carl Williams etc........when you actually looks at Tyson’s record as champion it’s hardly impressive when his 2 best wins were against an aged fighter in holmes and a light heavyweight michael spinks.

Usyk beat Joshua by using his supreme IQ and boxing ability
Holyfield beat Tyson by actually standing and trading with him and chopping him down.

so yes I would say if Joshua does beat usyk then for sure he’s above Tyson.

The question really should be if fury get’s chinned by whyte can we please stop this nonsense that fury is second coming of Ali ....he’s a con artist who has the weakest resume and only lives off the wilder saga ......who in turn has retired without fighting another top 5 to prove his good he was and potato body fury looks like he going to do the same thing

Carl Williams was #2 contender same with tubbs
Joshua is featherfisted blind glassy jawed bum dwarf ruiz featherfisted fat pig destroyed him blown up Cruiserweight destroy Bodybuilder Bodybuilder has no skills and Bodybuilder way that mike Would destroy him if blown up Cruiserweight who kick AJ Ass makes him ahead of Tyson then i don't know What to say tyson was Lineal and undisputed at 22 featherfisted glassy jawed bum Robot isn't even close to that Usyk would school the bum

[The plunger man]

Carl Williams was #2 contender same with tubbs
Joshua is featherfisted blind glassy jawed bum dwarf ruiz featherfisted fat pig destroyed him blown up Cruiserweight destroy Bodybuilder Bodybuilder has no skills and Bodybuilder way that mike Would destroy him if blown up Cruiserweight who kick AJ Ass makes him ahead of Tyson then i don't know What to say tyson was Lineal and undisputed at 22 featherfisted glassy jawed bum Robot isn't even close to that Usyk would school the bum

they were bum contenders just like wilder

[Ropss]

they were bum contenders just like wilder

Bums like. AJ but more skilled and not robotic featherfisted bums

[Nash out]

AJ surpassed Mike Tyson long ago. Tyson is on or even just below, the Helenius's of the world. Nash out.

[The plunger man]

Carl Williams was #2 contender same with tubbs
Joshua is featherfisted blind glassy jawed bum dwarf ruiz featherfisted fat pig destroyed him blown up Cruiserweight destroy Bodybuilder Bodybuilder has no skills and Bodybuilder way that mike Would destroy him if blown up Cruiserweight who kick AJ Ass makes him ahead of Tyson then i don't know What to say tyson was Lineal and undisputed at 22 featherfisted glassy jawed bum Robot isn't even close to that Usyk would school the bum

are you r e tarded