Nonito is overrated on this forum

**Tatabanya** · 06-01-2021, 03:39 AM

Originally posted by IronDanHamza

Disagree totally.

Donaire is a great fighter and first ballot HOFer.

Hardest punching Bantamweight of all time IMO

Agreed.

Do you include Carlos Zarate in the "hardest punching bantamweight" equation?

**elfag** · 06-01-2021, 04:07 AM

nonito is 38 years old which is old as dirt at those lower divisions

that he is still winning against guys there is impressive at that age

**IronDanHamza** · 06-01-2021, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Nash out

Christ, that's a garbage win list to be honest. Beat nobody even close to world class.

You clearly don’t know who those fighters are if you don’t think they’re world class fighters.

Some of those fighters he beat were on the Top 10 P4P list.

Many of them in the Top 5-10 in the division.

**Nash out** · 06-01-2021, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by IronDanHamza

You clearly don’t know who those fighters are if you don’t think they’re world class fighters.

Some of those fighters he beat were on the Top 10 P4P list.

Many of them in the Top 5-10 in the division.

I know who all of them are, and I watched all, or at least most of those fights. Well, none of them were ever anywhere near my top 50 P4P. Top 5/10 in their divisions, sure.

**IronDanHamza** · 06-01-2021, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by Nash out

I know who all of them are, and I watched all, or at least most of those fights. Well, none of them were ever anywhere near my top 50 P4P. Top 5/10 in their divisions, sure.

Fernando Montiel was Top 10 P4P when he fought Donaire.

To say he didn’t beat any world class fighters is asinine and just flat out wrong.

He beat a long list of them.

**Nash out** · 06-01-2021, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by IronDanHamza

Fernando Montiel was Top 10 P4P when he fought Donaire.

To say he didn’t beat any world class fighters is asinine and just flat out wrong.

He beat a long list of them.

I never saw Montiel in any top 10 list, and whilst a good fighter, he was certainly never in my top 50 P4P.

**IronDanHamza** · 06-01-2021, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Nash out

I never saw Montiel in any top 10 list, and whilst a good fighter, he was certainly never in my top 50 P4P.

What you saw is irrelevant.

He was on The Ring’s P4P Top 10 list.

**Dodger07** · 06-01-2021, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by BangEM

Laughable!

If he’s a first ballot hall of famer, Frampton and Rigo are also first ballot hall of famer!

Nonito rode on Manny’s hype due to being Filipino. He’s a good boxer but never special. Arum managed him very well until he started getting beat up.

Nonito is the hardest punching bantamweight of all time and lost to another special fighter and tough style matchup in rigondeaux. He lost to a couple of champs in higher weight classes as well. No shame in that.

**Dodger07** · 06-01-2021, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Nash out

I never saw Montiel in any top 10 list, and whilst a good fighter, he was certainly never in my top 50 P4P.

Montiel was was on multiple top 10-15 p4p lists, some even had him in the top 5:

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/T...r_Pound--2010s

Closing 2010: BoxingScene.com’s Pound for Pound Top Ten

https://www.boxingscene.com/closing-2010-boxingscenecoms-pound-pound-top-ten--34170

By Cliff Rold - While there may yet be punches thrown before the year is out, the heart of the boxing season has come to a close. Year-end awards are right around the corner. The new season hovers only weeks away. And, with the calendar all but closed, the ten men who represent the best of the sport of boxing at the end of this latest twelve months is ready to be debated. This has been a year of career validating wins (think Fernando Montiel), losses that forced rethinking (think Paul Williams…ouch), and steady as she goes depending on the fighters in question. After the most recent tilt for the Light Heavyweight title, one thing is abundantly clear: No matter his age or occasional inactivity, no matter if he appears to have an off night here or there, until someone genuinely lays a whooping on the great Bernard Hopkins, he remains one of the best fighter’s in the world. Regardless if one thinks Hopkins was robbed in his December 18 challenge of Jean Pascal or whether they feel the draw verdict was justified, the fact at night’s end was that Hopkins beat up Pascal a lot more than the opposite.

Bleacher Report

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/523700-boxing-top-ten-pound-4-pound

From BleacherReport.com, your destination for the latest news on your teams and topics in sports.

Pound-For-Pound Top 20 Boxers Update, 12/10

http://thecomeback.com/queensberryrules/2010-articles/pound-for-pound-top-20-boxers-update-1210.html

Vic Darchinyan lost to Nonito then shortly after was on p4p lists as well after destroying Mijares. Nishioka was the #1 122lb fighter when Nonito beat him too.

**Nash out** · 06-01-2021, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Dodger07

Montiel was was on multiple top 10-15 p4p lists, some even had him in the top 5:

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/T...r_Pound--2010s

Closing 2010: BoxingScene.com’s Pound for Pound Top Ten

https://www.boxingscene.com/closing-2010-boxingscenecoms-pound-pound-top-ten--34170

By Cliff Rold - While there may yet be punches thrown before the year is out, the heart of the boxing season has come to a close. Year-end awards are right around the corner. The new season hovers only weeks away. And, with the calendar all but closed, the ten men who represent the best of the sport of boxing at the end of this latest twelve months is ready to be debated. This has been a year of career validating wins (think Fernando Montiel), losses that forced rethinking (think Paul Williams…ouch), and steady as she goes depending on the fighters in question. After the most recent tilt for the Light Heavyweight title, one thing is abundantly clear: No matter his age or occasional inactivity, no matter if he appears to have an off night here or there, until someone genuinely lays a whooping on the great Bernard Hopkins, he remains one of the best fighter’s in the world. Regardless if one thinks Hopkins was robbed in his December 18 challenge of Jean Pascal or whether they feel the draw verdict was justified, the fact at night’s end was that Hopkins beat up Pascal a lot more than the opposite.

Bleacher Report

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/523700-boxing-top-ten-pound-4-pound

From BleacherReport.com, your destination for the latest news on your teams and topics in sports.

Pound-For-Pound Top 20 Boxers Update, 12/10

http://thecomeback.com/queensberryrules/2010-articles/pound-for-pound-top-20-boxers-update-1210.html

Vic Darchinyan lost to Nonito then shortly after was on p4p lists as well after destroying Mijares. Nishioka was the #1 122lb fighter when Nonito beat him too.

I just checked his boxrec to fully look into his career, and again, he should never have been any higher than around top 50 P4P.

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