Floyd's 5 best wins

[Marchegiano]

I mean, we are on a debate forum. And I mentioned in my OP about factoring that stuff in. Just was curious how others saw Floyd's resume. Because he has big names on there but every big name is definitely some smoke and mirrors. As I said with Corrales, I don't think I'd put any of those big names at number 1 even.

Why so sensitive. You talk sh.it to me and give me a hard time on here all the time lol

Just because everyone's a **** doesn't make it a debate forum.

[Robbie Barrett]

Corrales was his best win, even though Diego was weight drained and recovering from bronchitis. Castillo II is another. Aside from those two, there aren't any elite level opponents at their best who are worth bragging about.

He fought 8 P4P top 10 fighters. That means they were viewed among the 10 best in the entire sport. Not worth bragging about though.

[Marchegiano]

Lets just use how his opponents were rated P4P before the fights.

Pacquiao - P4P #2 (only behind Mayweather who was #1)
JMM - P4P #2
Mosley - P4P #3
Corrales - P4P #5
Hatton - P4P #8

People want to rewrite history and downplay his opponents but this is how they were viewed before the fight.

Oscar was a 3 in 07 and 6 in 06. Using Ring annual because tbrb goes to like 2012 and body ratings are a pain in the ass for this.

My question is would you call ODH a 3 or a 6 based on annual ratings because isn't that done at the end of the year? They fought in may, so the 06 ratings would have been out but the 07 ratings wouldn't be until 08, no?


Good response all the same I'm just curious how you went about it.

[Robbie Barrett]

Oscar was a 3 in 07 and 6 in 06. Using Ring annual because tbrb goes to like 2012 and body ratings are a pain in the ass for this.

My question is would you call ODH a 3 or a 6 based on annual ratings because isn't that done at the end of the year? They fought in may, so the 06 ratings would have been out but the 07 ratings wouldn't be until 08, no?


Good response all the same I'm just curious how you went about it.

I didn't even think DLH was ranked. I remembered where they were all ranked apart from Corrales and Hatton. I think Hatton was actually #6 after beating Castillo but can't confirm so went with #8. Yes used the year before, which is fine for Corrales because the fight was in Jan.

[El_Maldito_Rey]

Fraud's top 5 wins

5. Coming in overweight vs Marquez
4. Picking Maidana's gloves
3. Masking his PED use with IVs
2. Making Pacquiao wait 5 years and some losses to fight him.

and his No. 1 win (drumroll please)

1. KO'ing his baby momma in front of her children.

[The Big Dunn]

Believe it or not, I don't hate on Floyd. Not in my mind anyway. I respect the businessman aspect of his work. And he fought a lot of really good fighters, and I never really saw him hurt or dominated or in trouble in a fight. I haven't seen all of his fights but I personally never saw him lose. .Didn't watch or score ODLH/Maidana 1, which are about the only 2 others I've seen anyone say he lost. He beat Manny 8-4 and I thought JLC 1 was 7-5 or 6-6 to Floyd.

I can't grant you the one about Manny waiting to fight Floyd. I've always seen that largely the other way around. One could argue that Floyd didn't want to fight Manny because he felt/knew Manny was on PEDs. I think that's a fair point. But when you're the cash cow, and Floyd was, everyone wants that fight. That's how I see it anyway.

ODLH, I don't take anything away from him from that win. Only thing is, that Oscar always came up short against big names so I don't know completely how to grade that win. But the terms of the fight I don't take anything away from Floyd.

I never really followed the whole Mosley saga and don't really have a big opinion on all that. Other than that's the most I've ever seen Floyd hurt and he recovered well and went on to win clinically.

The Canelo fight issue is the weight. It just taints the win for me, and I think it should for anyone. Fighting him young etc, it doesn't really matter. Canelo was still a really good fighter then. Fighting him at that time probably helped Floyd, mainly because Canelo had a terrible gameplan and a little more experience could have helped him. But no one could have predicted that Canelo would improve this much and become a number 1 pfp. So it is hard to accuse Floyd of 'getting him before he was good' - no one really knew Canelo would go on to do what he has done.

I think Floyd just couldn't help himself in his Money May days - he could call all the shots and get everything in his favor for all his fights, whether he needed it or not. But, who is to say he should have done anything different? He probably made a billion dollars in earnings doing it his way.

Appreciate the response. Maybe I didn't make my point clear enough. If we are doing this in good faith, then if the timing of his fights lessens the wins, then shouldn't we factor in that guys waited to fight him?

Shane, Manny, and ODH all made tremendous money when they didn't fight Floyd. If they fight Floyd earlier and lose, do they make as much? Maybe, maybe not. Clearly that factored into their decision. I don't think that should be held against Floyd. In fact, it actually speaks to how talented he was-that top earners saw him as high risk, low reward. SO if you are unsure of how to grade the ODH win, ok. But please lets factor in ODH waited to fight him and discuss why.

On a different note this is kind of my point about Haney and Loma. It isn't that Haney is so great, its that his attributes could've made it very difficult for Loma. If Loma loses, the huge Teo payday goes out the window. SO Loma makes the smart business decision and drops the belt rather than fight Haney. Now people talk about Haney's lack of a resume-which is a fact-but how does the fact a guy dropped a bet rather than fight him go into the equation?

[Johnny2x2x]

1. Canelo
2. Corrales
3. Pacquaio
4. Oscar
5. Cotto

[Spoon23]

Fraud's top 5 wins

5. Coming in overweight vs Marquez
4. Picking Maidana's gloves
3. Masking his PED use with IVs
2. Making Pacquiao wait 5 years and some losses to fight him.

and his No. 1 win (drumroll please)

1. KO'ing his baby momma in front of her children.

lololol

That should be Floyd's Top 5 sneaky fights.

[djtmal]

Appreciate the response. Maybe I didn't make my point clear enough. If we are doing this in good faith, then if the timing of his fights lessens the wins, then shouldn't we factor in that guys waited to fight him?

Shane, Manny, and ODH all made tremendous money when they didn't fight Floyd. If they fight Floyd earlier and lose, do they make as much? Maybe, maybe not. Clearly that factored into their decision. I don't think that should be held against Floyd. In fact, it actually speaks to how talented he was-that top earners saw him as high risk, low reward. SO if you are unsure of how to grade the ODH win, ok. But please lets factor in ODH waited to fight him and discuss why.

This isn't Floyd's excuses for not fighting the best fighters at their best. This is who are his top 5 wins:

Hatton
Corrales
Hernandez
Alvarez
#5 can be a pick em with Guerrero Ortiz Marcos Madonna or Carlos Baldimir I guess.

We know that don't really match with the TBE narrative.

Big Dunn always ready to change the narrative to suit Floyd favorably. His resume is what it is. He certainly fought bigger names but you can't use them because they were over the hill, and no amount of excuses is changing anything.

[Boxing-1013]

Lets just use how his opponents were rated P4P before the fights.

Pacquiao - P4P #2 (only behind Mayweather who was #1)
JMM - P4P #2
Mosley - P4P #3
Corrales - P4P #5
Hatton - P4P #8

People want to rewrite history and downplay his opponents but this is how they were viewed before the fight.

I think a lot of it comes down to whether you really felt those guys were those numbers going into those fights - and then also factoring in the weight situations with Hatton and JMM. I wouldn't have listed Manny or Shane that high at that time. Seems like they were coasting a bit on name recognition, and also on the potential fight with Mayweather looming

'1 vs 3 pfp' is an easier sell than '1 vs top 15'