Floyd's 5 best wins

[Boxing-1013]

Tell the truth, you didn't want to see that.

I like Charlo. And why would I score a fight like Fury-Wilder 1 a draw if 'I didn't want to see it' lol. A lot of people seem to have given Charlo extra credit and not rewarding the constant work Derevy was doing. It's a joke for anyone to say Charlo dominated that fight. It was a great, close fight. Derevy deserves some credit, on the cards, for what he did too.

[Boxing-1013]

Oscar was his best win by far. Most of the other fights I see listed are just eye-rollers. I mean the second Castillo fight was a good win but balanced with the first, not so much

That's how I feel when I see people mention some of those Ws, without immediately acknowledging the circumstances of those fights

[Boxing-1013]

Ok so we can draw a line between the smoke and mirrors how about define what you mean by best wins, is it the best show of ability as in destroying somebody, the best win as in prize, the best boxing performance, best names he beat etc etc

So what does best really mean ?

Good points. I think it has to be a combination of performance, mixed in with the level of opponent at the time of the fight. Which would take into account the weight etc.

[Boxing-1013]

1. Pacquiao - An aging Mayweather beating prime Manny 118-110
2. Canelo - Mayweather slightly past prime, beating Canelo slightly pre-prime 118-110
3. Oscar De La Hoya - 116-112 Mayweather
4. Juan Manuel Marquez - Nobody came close to beating Marquex the way Mayweather did. All the more impressive given that Marquez is 4-0 up vs Pacquiao (in reality, not poor judging)
5. Ricky Hatton - Hatton at the time was unbeaten and coming off an outstanding win. Mayweather is the only man who beat prime Hatton. Hatton was never the same after this fight.

Other massive wins.
Maidana X2
Conor Mcgregor
Corrales
Cotto (kind of, not really a fan of Cotto)
prime Mosley
Judah
Castillo X2 (yes, he won both)

And many other good wins.

I can't tell if this is a troll comment tbh

[The Big Dunn]

Serious question - when you see a list like that, you don't feel the need to say 'Yeah but, Canelo was etc etc'?

In good faith I can't look at a list like that and not in my head point out the obvious - that none of those guys were the best version/prime/best weight combos of themselves. The JMM one at 5 is especially hard to try to argue in support of

If you truly are doing this in good faith, then why wouldn’t you factor in the fact that Shane, manny and odh all waited to fight Floyd?

Take odh for example. Odh was the cash cow and chose whom he fought and when. To penalize Floyd by saying odh wasn’t prime- which is a fact- suggests Floyd was responsible for this when he wasn’t. Same with Shane.

Take manny. Again if we’re doing this in good faith, was that all on Floyd?

Take canelo. Again if you are truly doing this in good faith, literally everyone was calling for Floyd to fight Canelo when he did. Are you suggesting he should’ve waited for canelo to get older?

Had he done that, now he would’ve been criticized for either ducking or delaying. He wouldn’t have been given credit for waiting until he was prime.

So I completely understand your point but I ask does good faith extend both ways?

[Boxing-1013]

Feelings huh? It's super funny seeing someone say Kell Brook and David Lemieux are good middleweight wins but Floyd's resume needs further inspection...

? Again, you have an inability to separate your feelings when analyzing what someone is saying on here.

Lemieux was a good MW win. He was a champion, fighting at his best weight, and coming off a long winning streak. I'm not saying Floyd has a bad resume, and I didn't say any of those wins weren't good or at least solid. Just that a lot of his wins are obviously not what some people try to make them out to be. People should be embarrassed trying to act like all of those wins should be taken at face value.

Brook, it's hard to say. People can agree to disagree. He was undefeated and in his prime, but did move up 2 weight classes. Though, people giving Floyd massive credit for his weight-adjusted wins, while trying to completely dismiss a win like GGG's over Brook - which looks a little better since he KOed him in 5 rounds and essentially damaged him for the rest of his career - I mean you're the ones that look foolish, not me.

But, keep crying about it and trying to act like you don't understand my points.

[Boxing-1013]

If you truly are doing this in good faith, then why wouldn’t you factor in the fact that Shane, manny and odh all waited to fight Floyd?

Take odh for example. Odh was the cash cow and chose whom he fought and when. To penalize Floyd by saying odh wasn’t prime- which is a fact- suggests Floyd was responsible for this when he wasn’t. Same with Shane.

Take manny. Again if we’re doing this in good faith, was that all on Floyd?

Take canelo. Again if you are truly doing this in good faith, literally everyone was calling for Floyd to fight Canelo when he did. Are you suggesting he should’ve waited for canelo to get older?

Had he done that, now he would’ve been criticized for either ducking or delaying. He wouldn’t have been given credit for waiting until he was prime.

So I completely understand your point but I ask does good faith extend both ways?

Believe it or not, I don't hate on Floyd. Not in my mind anyway. I respect the businessman aspect of his work. And he fought a lot of really good fighters, and I never really saw him hurt or dominated or in trouble in a fight. I haven't seen all of his fights but I personally never saw him lose. .Didn't watch or score ODLH/Maidana 1, which are about the only 2 others I've seen anyone say he lost. He beat Manny 8-4 and I thought JLC 1 was 7-5 or 6-6 to Floyd.

I can't grant you the one about Manny waiting to fight Floyd. I've always seen that largely the other way around. One could argue that Floyd didn't want to fight Manny because he felt/knew Manny was on PEDs. I think that's a fair point. But when you're the cash cow, and Floyd was, everyone wants that fight. That's how I see it anyway.

ODLH, I don't take anything away from him from that win. Only thing is, that Oscar always came up short against big names so I don't know completely how to grade that win. But the terms of the fight I don't take anything away from Floyd.

I never really followed the whole Mosley saga and don't really have a big opinion on all that. Other than that's the most I've ever seen Floyd hurt and he recovered well and went on to win clinically.

The Canelo fight issue is the weight. It just taints the win for me, and I think it should for anyone. Fighting him young etc, it doesn't really matter. Canelo was still a really good fighter then. Fighting him at that time probably helped Floyd, mainly because Canelo had a terrible gameplan and a little more experience could have helped him. But no one could have predicted that Canelo would improve this much and become a number 1 pfp. So it is hard to accuse Floyd of 'getting him before he was good' - no one really knew Canelo would go on to do what he has done.

I think Floyd just couldn't help himself in his Money May days - he could call all the shots and get everything in his favor for all his fights, whether he needed it or not. But, who is to say he should have done anything different? He probably made a billion dollars in earnings doing it his way.

[Boxing-1013]

Tell the truth, you didn't want to see that.

If I didn't want to see it, why do I score JLC-Floyd 1, a 7-5 win for Floyd, or I could see 6-6? Lol gtfoh

[Robbie Barrett]

Lets just use how his opponents were rated P4P before the fights.

Pacquiao - P4P #2 (only behind Mayweather who was #1)
JMM - P4P #2
Mosley - P4P #3
Corrales - P4P #5
Hatton - P4P #8

People want to rewrite history and downplay his opponents but this is how they were viewed before the fight.

[GhostofDempsey]

Corrales was his best win, even though Diego was weight drained and recovering from bronchitis. Castillo II is another. Aside from those two, there aren't any elite level opponents at their best who are worth bragging about.