Floyd's 5 best wins

[Boxing-1013]

You don’t have direct knowledge? This site has posted the video of Shane refusing to fight over the toothache numerous times. How do you not know that?

you also know odh chose to fight whomever he wanted so he fought Floyd on his timetable.

You also are aware of manny refusing and the reasons why. Someone even posted it this thread.

Being so adamant that Manny was the one who postponed that fight, takes away credibility from your other points - which I don't really care much about entertaining. There's always 2 sides to a story. Usually when a fight doesn't happen, neither guy wants it much. The other 40% of so, one of the guys is ducking, and sometimes you don't even know who is who.

[Boxing-1013]

Castillo was way bigger than him in both fights, along with Corrales. Yeah the weight clause is lame, but I'd rather outweigh my opponent by 15 pounds than vice versa. Maidana and Ortiz were confirmed 165 pounds against Floyd. Don't quote me on this but I think Shane was 160 when he fought Floyd. Then you got guys like Baldomir, Gatti, Genaro, etc.



Then you can do that for literally every fighter that has ever existed lol...

like what would have happened if Duran fought Hearns if he wasn't coming off a loss from Hagler?
what if Frazier fought Ali before exile?
what if Holyfield/Lennox fought Tyson before he went to jail?

let's be real, all of the hypothetical questions I listed above aren't meaningless. They could have changed the outcome, but we can't know for the most part. We could do the same for Pac's resume, but I give him credit for a lot of his signature wins.

On the second part of your post, I think you were agreeing with me. That is a never ending rabbithole.

I don't really go by weight necessarily when I gauge who is bigger. A lot of it is just what weights both guys started/ended up at in their careers, and also how they look at the time compared to one another. Fight night weight etc is important too though.

[djtmal]

you failed to mention that Floyd was past his prime when he fought all of them too. He was older than Manny and Cotto and he was calling out Shane since 99. Dimwit.

I failed to mention it simply because I don't have to. You want to give your favorite fighter full credit, pull up the prime guys he beat and stop making excuses for anyone who does not fit the criteria.

[The Big Dunn]

Being so adamant that Manny was the one who postponed that fight, takes away credibility from your other points - which I don't really care much about entertaining. There's always 2 sides to a story. Usually when a fight doesn't happen, neither guy wants it much. The other 40% of so, one of the guys is ducking, and sometimes you don't even know who is who.

Huh? How does an opinion on Floyd/manny take away from Shane not fighting over a toothache or odh waiting to fight him?

All these things actually happened. I’m not making them up.

Why don’t you want to entertain them?

Agree there are 2 sides. But this isn’t a whose to blame thing. It’s taking things that actually happened and factoring them in, the same way that you have done in other situations.

[djtmal]

Floyd can’t fight guys in their prime when they have a toothache, are scared of needles, or will not take $40 mil.

Oh woe is you.

Life went on didn't it.

Just list the guys that he beat in their prime and stop making the excuses. Theres evidence to the contrary in the who ducked who debate.

[Boxing-1013]

Huh? How does an opinion on Floyd/manny take away from Shane not fighting over a toothache or odh waiting to fight him?

All these things actually happened. I’m not making them up.

Why don’t you want to entertain them?

Agree there are 2 sides. But this isn’t a whose to blame thing. It’s taking things that actually happened and factoring them in, the same way that you have done in other situations.

I'm saying I don't have an opinion on anything that I don't know about firsthand. And I don't have a ton of interest in going down every rabbit hole about who ducked who and why etc. The point about the Manny situation is that you were saying he ducked Floyd - I definitely didn't see that for various reasons. You mentioning that one, makes me doubt some of the other situations you listed, since all I have to go on is your view on it.

For example, without looking into it, my guess would be that Mosley's excuse for not fighting was much more than a simple 'toothache' - there is no way you would come up with that excuse if you were trying to get out of a fight. You would at least fake a real injury lol

[djtmal]

Huh? How does an opinion on Floyd/manny take away from Shane not fighting over a toothache or odh waiting to fight him?

All these things actually happened. I’m not making them up.

Why don’t you want to entertain them?

Agree there are 2 sides. But this isn’t a whose to blame thing. It’s taking things that actually happened and factoring them in, the same way that you have done in other situations.

In other words, why can't I use my best Floyd excuses in a thread that has cut and dry parameters

[GhostofDempsey]

Huh? How does an opinion on Floyd/manny take away from Shane not fighting over a toothache or odh waiting to fight him?

All these things actually happened. I’m not making them up.

Why don’t you want to entertain them?

Agree there are 2 sides. But this isn’t a whose to blame thing. It’s taking things that actually happened and factoring them in, the same way that you have done in other situations.

He didn’t duck over a toothache, all he did was ask for more time to heal from a loose tooth. Of course you ignore the fact that Shane called out Floyd at 135 and Floyd flat out said no. He was too busy fighting slow, flat footed brawlers.

[Boxing-1013]

For the record, this is what I found, from Shane's perspective, on the proposed 2 fights with Floyd in 99 and 06.


Q: After you challenged him, a week later, Mayweather wished you good luck in your career which seemed to indicate hes not interested in fighting you. He also mentioned that he challenged you twice, and he claims that you turned him down back in 1999 and again in 2006. Did you really turn him down?

A: Like I said, hes really a liar. He likes to lie a lot. In 1999 theres a film where hes fighting in Michigan when he was fighting at 130 and I was fighting at 135, and I asked him, like when HBO does the prefight analysts talk to the fighters before they fight. I talked to him, and hopefully its recorded somewhereI think it was on FXI asked him, Are you planning on coming up to lightweight to fight me? And he said, No, He had no intention of coming to lightweight to fight me, he wanted t beat Carlos Monzons record. He didnt want to come to lightweight. Thats when I jumped from lightweight to welterweight to fight Oscar De La Hoya. That was the first incident that hes talking about, so he turned me down in 1999.

Now, the other time hes talking about is when I fought three timesone, two, three, back-to-back-to-backand they tried to rush me to fight him right away, like two or three months later. I said, give me a month, and well do it like, I think it was in JanuaryI said, Well do it in January. They wanted to do it in like November or December, and I said, Give me a month and well do it in January or February. They didnt want to do that. So they chose to fight Oscar De La Hoya. I said, Go ahead and fight Oscar, and if you beat Oscar, then lets get busy. Lets do this. He beat Oscarhe didnt want to fight me.

Hes been turning me down. I hate when he continues to say, Oh, he turned me down because of a tooth ache. Yeah. I got head butted in that fight that and my tooth was loose that night. They asked me to fight Mayweather and I said, Give me an extra month, and Ill fight him. He didnt want to fight me, which was cool. He could go and fight Oscar because thats more money. Okay. Thats cool, but after that fight if you winfight me. He didnt want to do that. He chose to retire or fight somebody else. Im getting tired of that lie! They need to wipe that lie out of there. The reporters and stuff, they keep saying it, so that lie needs to be talked about.


So who knows what is what, but his story sounds reasonable to me.

[The Big Dunn]

He didn’t duck over a toothache, all he did was ask for more time to heal from a loose tooth. Of course you ignore the fact that Shane called out Floyd at 135 and Floyd flat out said no. He was too busy fighting slow, flat footed brawlers.

Stop it ghost. I know you don’t like Floyd but come on.