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  • Zelda
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    #61
    Originally posted by dan_cov


    AJ is very safety first these days & has adopted a more amateur style.
    I don't think Usyk will have to keep AJ off him & if AJ does try impose himself he'll get lit up.
    He will completely befuddle AJ with his feints, level changing and lateral movement.

    I think he schools him and stylistically a much easier fight than Chisora who will walk through fire to get his shots off. Chisora is much more physical and stronger. AJ can no doubt lift a lot but he isn't physically strong (there is actually a difference).

    If Joyce couldn't walk him down and impose himself how on earth is this guy whose afraid to take a hit going to?

    He's too wooden.
    Usyks angles & ability to punch off of them will make AJ look every bit as robotic as he is.

    If there is one top HW Usyk can and almost certainly will its AJ. He's seen lots of guys just like AJ in the amateurs, he has spent years training with Wladimir. AJ seen one who bared some sort of resemblance to an Usyk and he got battered & stopped.
    I think he still has a lot of those flaws and more or less fights the same way only holds his shape a lot better.
    I still see the same tells, the same pushing the right hand & so on. He's the finished article but still has a lot of amateurish habits that wasn't drilled out.
    That was years ago. Joyce had no boxing IQ and his punches are possibly the slowest. You can see it coming, decide what to do maybe change your mind and still dodge it before it lands. And Joyce wasn't that heavy at that point while Usyk was a lot younger too.

    I like Usyk and I may even fancy him causing an upset but I simply do not see him doing that. I would definitely favor Usyk if this fight was happening at the Cruiserweight, but it's not. It is heavyweight and Usyk has no credentials in this weight class. I doubt he can even beat a Povetkin or a Parker, let alone the champion. Usyk is getting KO'ed.

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      #62
      Originally posted by Eff Pandas
      Idk about beating AJ wide, but I'm leaning Usyk myself.

      Randomly I was surprised Usyk wasn't a bigger dog. Looks like he's around +220ish.
      I think Usyk should try bulk up more.

      I mean AJ is like 240 these days, Usyk should try outweigh him, I belive that would be fantastic strategy

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        #63
        Originally posted by dan_cov


        AJ is very safety first these days & has adopted a more amateur style.
        I don't think Usyk will have to keep AJ off him & if AJ does try impose himself he'll get lit up.
        He will completely befuddle AJ with his feints, level changing and lateral movement.

        I think he schools him and stylistically a much easier fight than Chisora who will walk through fire to get his shots off. Chisora is much more physical and stronger. AJ can no doubt lift a lot but he isn't physically strong (there is actually a difference).

        If Joyce couldn't walk him down and impose himself how on earth is this guy whose afraid to take a hit going to?

        He's too wooden.
        Usyks angles & ability to punch off of them will make AJ look every bit as robotic as he is.

        If there is one top HW Usyk can and almost certainly will its AJ. He's seen lots of guys just like AJ in the amateurs, he has spent years training with Wladimir. AJ seen one who bared some sort of resemblance to an Usyk and he got battered & stopped.
        I think he still has a lot of those flaws and more or less fights the same way only holds his shape a lot better.
        I still see the same tells, the same pushing the right hand & so on. He's the finished article but still has a lot of amateurish habits that wasn't drilled out.
        Joshua needed a different trainer than Rob, Rob did a sound job with him but he lacked that bit of nuance that would have taken a guy like AJ to the next level.

        Usyk should absoloutley piece AJ up, I'd actually say that it's an embarrassing performance by Usyk if he doesn't win, AJ has too many flaws and is way too stiff.

        Honestly he really should fake an injury and try and get out of the fight, if I was Eddie hearn that's what I'd do, then you can go for the Fury fight. I think Usyk only has 1-2 years before he starts to to show his age so the best thing for AJ to do is avoid

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        • OnlytheTruth
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          #64
          Lets be real about this; What did Usyk do to demonstrate that he could knock down or knock out a career HW? He looked comfortable but he was hit by Chisora's wild swings from the opening bell, literally. I like Usyk. He seems like a decent guy and has been an amazing Cruiserweight. But lets not forget that he gets this mandatory shot because of the WBO rules, not that he beat an established decent HW (not that anyone after the top 5 is setting the world on fire) to get into that position. It was an automatic shot.

          What is Joshua known for? His power. He has beaten established Heavyweights who are used to the extra weight power they come up against. He has great hand speed and if he comes in at 235-245, he's light and powerful so can go 12.

          Joshua has a 4" reach, 3" height and power advantages. He has bags of experience at HW. He was 240 against Pulev and looks to have his poor tank under control too.

          Like I said, I like Usyk but Joshua should stop him 4th or 5th. Usyk should have taken Joyce on first, IMO.

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            #65
            Originally posted by dan_cov


            AJ is very safety first these days & has adopted a more amateur style.
            I don't think Usyk will have to keep AJ off him & if AJ does try impose himself he'll get lit up.
            He will completely befuddle AJ with his feints, level changing and lateral movement.

            I think he schools him and stylistically a much easier fight than Chisora who will walk through fire to get his shots off. Chisora is much more physical and stronger. AJ can no doubt lift a lot but he isn't physically strong (there is actually a difference).

            If Joyce couldn't walk him down and impose himself how on earth is this guy whose afraid to take a hit going to?

            He's too wooden.
            Usyks angles & ability to punch off of them will make AJ look every bit as robotic as he is.

            If there is one top HW Usyk can and almost certainly will its AJ. He's seen lots of guys just like AJ in the amateurs, he has spent years training with Wladimir. AJ seen one who bared some sort of resemblance to an Usyk and he got battered & stopped.
            I think he still has a lot of those flaws and more or less fights the same way only holds his shape a lot better.
            I still see the same tells, the same pushing the right hand & so on. He's the finished article but still has a lot of amateurish habits that wasn't drilled out.
            obviously you did not watch Joshua brutalise pulev in his last fight ? Safety first ? No it’s called breaking your opponent down and then clinically taking them apart.....also safety first when Joshua had pulev turning his back on him after taking a beating after 3 rounds.....as I said up you don’t know what the **** your talking about.
            joshua learnt from rushing in and getting caught recklessly and now does it in the right fashion .....it’s called experience the only thing you have been right about is there no great heavyweights in the division at the moment.....but it’s safe to say if Joshua or fury cleans out the division then they will definitely be considered a great.
            here you are grading a fighter or fighters whose career is less than 23 fights and you realise how ****** you are saying this lol

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              #66
              Originally posted by War Room
              UK fixes fights, wake up. Ain't that right?
              Robbie Barrett
              Have you seen Wilder scorecards in fights like Ortiz etc? The robberies were all set.

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                #67
                Originally posted by Robbie Barrett

                Have you seen Wilder scorecards in fights like Ortiz etc? The robberies were all set.
                I told you PBC fixes fights, learn to read home skillet. If that fight was in Santa's Village in the North Pole you would have gotten the same score. You don't know how fight fixing works so quit talking out the side of yo neck and keep it moving girlfriend. You need to get back on the track, time is money!

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by dan_cov
                  In Ruiz's last 13 fights he has stopped a nearing 45yr old Dimitrenko & Ray Austin (who hasn't?) some journeyman and AJ

                  Going the distance with Joell Goddfrey, Zumbano, Liakovich.

                  Seriously his power is average at the very best, that is me being very kind.

                  He can't punch and there is nothing on his record to indicate he can.

                  Apparently Usyk is featherfisted yet he's hurting opponents far more than these supposed punchers at HW are
                  Andy’s win over AJ indicates that he is dangerous in exchanges, which is why Chris Arreola kept his hands at home fairly often after breaking the compubox record against Adam Kownacki.

                  Is he a KO artist? No, he isn’t, however the lack of stoppages might also be a matter of guys fighting more defensively to avoid the exchanges I mentioned.

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                  • Robbie Barrett
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by War Room

                    I told you PBC fixes fights, learn to read home skillet. If that fight was in Santa's Village in the North Pole you would have gotten the same score. You don't know how fight fixing works so quit talking out the side of yo neck and keep it moving girlfriend. You need to get back on the track, time is money!
                    So when robberies happen in the UK that's the UK's commissions fault. When they happen in the US that's not the commissions fault? Stop it you clown. The commissions keep putting out these biased/corrupt judges.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Robbie Barrett

                      So when robberies happen in the UK that's the UK's commissions fault. When they happen in the US that's not the commissions fault? Stop it you clown. The commissions keep putting out these biased/corrupt judges.
                      YDKSAB, pure and simple. I never once said anything about any Commission ---> never said the word, you did.

                      I've pushed your shet in so many times no I'm starting to lose count. You just quit the thread and keep trying but your arms are too short. Get your skirt on and get back on the track, you're only good at one thing which is blowin' Johns.

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