Why do people act like Charlo-Derevychenko was a blowout

[champion4ever]

My scoring and interpretation of that fight pretty much aligned with the punch stats - Charlo maybe landed a couple more punches per round on average (Compubox said by 40 punches overall, I don't think it was quite that many but not like I actually counted). And Derevy did the better work on the inside when he slipped the jab, as evidenced by landing 30 or so more power punches.

Charlo outlanded him in 8/12 rounds in total punches. Derevy in 8/11 rounds (1 tie) in power punches.

Derevy is about as good as anyone today at slipping the jab and getting inside. We saw him do it very well vs GGG, and Jacobs and Charlo etc, and we know how good GGG's jab is. The only reason GGG was in the fight vs Derevy is because he landed a couple big shots in some of the rounds where he was getting outworked.

Charlo has a really good jab but I didn't see a dominant jab in that fight - it was solid and scored pretty often, but it hardly backed Derevy off at all, and most of them weren't overly hard and clean. Again that isn't dismissing Charlo's jab, it's just a testament to Derevy's skillset and his relentless nature. Derevy got through the jab and got to the inside almost every round.

On the inside, Derevy consistently did the better work. In the rounds where the inside work was even, or where Derevy didn't really get inside much, Charlo won. In the rounds where Charlo couldn't really land the jab, and Derevy could get inside, Derevy won.

Just not sure what some guys on here score or even seen when they look at fights. In some fights, it's all about the jab. In others, it's all about the power punches. I guess for most people on here it's just about scoring whatever they can to give their preferred fighter the W.

Why not just watch a fight and score each round for who the better man is, designated by who landed the better punches? Is that a crazy idea

Sorry about not responding to you in the other thread. Here is how I scored that bout. I had it for Charlo winning by 9-3ish or 8-4ish. He dominated Derevyenchanko a lot more than Gennady Golovkin who was damn near stopped by him. The referee jumped in the way to save GGG from getting knockout from body shots because Sergey badly hurt him.

[just the facts]

My scoring and interpretation of that fight pretty much aligned with the punch stats - Charlo maybe landed a couple more punches per round on average (Compubox said by 40 punches overall, I don't think it was quite that many but not like I actually counted). And Derevy did the better work on the inside when he slipped the jab, as evidenced by landing 30 or so more power punches.

Charlo outlanded him in 8/12 rounds in total punches. Derevy in 8/11 rounds (1 tie) in power punches.

Derevy is about as good as anyone today at slipping the jab and getting inside. We saw him do it very well vs GGG, and Jacobs and Charlo etc, and we know how good GGG's jab is. The only reason GGG was in the fight vs Derevy is because he landed a couple big shots in some of the rounds where he was getting outworked.

Charlo has a really good jab but I didn't see a dominant jab in that fight - it was solid and scored pretty often, but it hardly backed Derevy off at all, and most of them weren't overly hard and clean. Again that isn't dismissing Charlo's jab, it's just a testament to Derevy's skillset and his relentless nature. Derevy got through the jab and got to the inside almost every round.

On the inside, Derevy consistently did the better work. In the rounds where the inside work was even, or where Derevy didn't really get inside much, Charlo won. In the rounds where Charlo couldn't really land the jab, and Derevy could get inside, Derevy won.

Just not sure what some guys on here score or even seen when they look at fights. In some fights, it's all about the jab. In others, it's all about the power punches. I guess for most people on here it's just about scoring whatever they can to give their preferred fighter the W.

Why not just watch a fight and score each round for who the better man is, designated by who landed the better punches? Is that a crazy idea

I remember you were whinning about the scorecards before (by your own admission) you even watched the fight. Absolutely no one CREDIBLE agrees with you. Charlo won tough fight but it wasn't close.

[just the facts]

I actually think Derevy did better score-wise vs Jermall, but better performance wise (maybe relative to expectations) vs GGG. GGG just got a bit fortunate in some rounds and getting the clear round/2 point edge with the KD. Then opening the cut in round 2

Be honest here. Ggg is your favorite fighter. Almost everyone thinks Derv beat ggg. You're trying to play it off like Derv deserved better vs Charlo in an effort to make it seem like Charlo and ggg both struggled vs Derv. The problem is that it just isn't true.

[just the facts]

Just didn't see a clean win at all. Saw a really tough back and forth fight. I watched after reading the RBR thread where most seemed to be touting Charlo's dominance and talking about his jab. Just didn't see any of that. Jab was solid but not exceptional there. No shame in that though, Derevy basically fights to about a draw vs everyone I've ever seen him face.

Hell the best I've seen anyone do against him was actually Culcay

The only explanation is that you're one of those people who see what they want to see. The problem is that it flat out didn't happen that way. Remember you were making posts about the wide scorecards in this fight before (by your own admission) you even watched it.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Facts

Fact 1: Charlo beat Dervy a lot easier than GGG did

Fact 2: Dervy's beat GGG. But Dervy's face was very very very busted up after.

Fact 3: Busted up faces is not how you score a fight

Fact 4: Canelo fans talk about how GGG must have lost to Canelo because of his face but don't mention Dervy's face when they say he beat GGG

Fact 5: Both Canelo and GGG ducking Charlo

Fact 6: I think Dervychenko could be a good opponent for Canelo too, better than these guys he been fighting lately

[BodyBagz]

Shortychenko lost wide

[BodyBagz]

Facts

Fact 1: Charlo beat Dervy a lot easier than GGG did

Fact 2: Dervy's beat GGG. But Dervy's face was very very very busted up after.

Fact 3: Busted up faces is not how you score a fight

Fact 4: Canelo fans talk about how GGG must have lost to Canelo because of his face but don't mention Dervy's face when they say he beat GGG

Fact 5: Both Canelo and GGG ducking Charlo

Fact 6: I think Dervychenko could be a good opponent for Canelo too, better than these guys he been fighting lately

1) Fact but you can't compare fights between common opponants. I know people like to go there but preparations/situations are not always the same.
2) Fact. A lesser known robbery. If a face is only cut in one spot, you can't say that guys face got wrecked.
3) More often than not, it's indicative of a guy losing. Check for yourself. A battered face (NOT just a singular cut) is usually worn by the loser and rightfully so...if it goes to the cards of course
4) Nelo beat GGG because he beat him. Shlt happens. Not every W has to be a blow out.
5) Why would Nelo duck anyone ??? He fights who he must. Just like Bud does
6) Nelo would eat Shorty alive.

[BigZ44]

Can't remember if I scored it 117-111 or 116-112 for Charlo, it was a competitive fight, but Charlo definitely won

[TernceBudCharlo]

1) Fact but you can't compare fights between common opponants. I know people like to go there but preparations/situations are not always the same.
2) Fact. A lesser known robbery. If a face is only cut in one spot, you can't say that guys face got wrecked.
3) More often than not, it's indicative of a guy losing. Check for yourself. A battered face (NOT just a singular cut) is usually worn by the loser and rightfully so...if it goes to the cards of course
4) Nelo beat GGG because he beat him. Shlt happens. Not every W has to be a blow out.
5) Why would Nelo duck anyone ??? He fights who he must. Just like Bud does
6) Nelo would eat Shorty alive.

Some of this I agree with some of this I don't. I think I said the fight was a little different and Derv was coming off of the war with GGG when he fought Charlo, GGG coming off the war with Canelo when he fought Derv.

On battered faces, I've trained with guys in the gym you jab them once in the face and they bruise up even with the headgear. Some you hit with power shots over and over and nothing happens.

[BodyBagz]

Some of this I agree with some of this I don't. I think I said the fight was a little different and Derv was coming off of the war with GGG when he fought Charlo, GGG coming off the war with Canelo when he fought Derv.

On battered faces, I've trained with guys in the gym you jab them once in the face and they bruise up even with the headgear. Some you hit with power shots over and over and nothing happens.

The common opponent angle is faulty.
I still say more often than not, a loser will be wearing a battered face.

i don't know why you insist on holding Nelo to standards you don't hold Bud to. I don't mean merely acknowledging it, but to take time and put paragraphs into how you feel about Buds match making process.