Why do people act like Charlo-Derevychenko was a blowout

[Boxing-1013]

Sorry about not responding to you in the other thread. Here is how I scored that bout. I had it for Charlo winning by 9-3ish or 8-4ish. He dominated Derevyenchanko a lot more than Gennady Golovkin who was damn near stopped by him. The referee jumped in the way to save GGG from getting knockout from body shots because Sergey badly hurt him.

Sergei did have GGG hurt in that round, no doubt about it

[Robbie Barrett]

Because 10-9 rounds don't show you how close the rounds were. Don't know why boxing has a 10 point system when every round is scored 10-9 (without KD's) even if a fighter dominates the round or just shades it. Kind of unfair too. If a fighter dominates a round but his opponent shades another it wipes out his dominant round because they're both 10-9.

Klitschko-Fury is another fight where all the rounds were close, but people claim Fury dominated.

[Boxing-1013]

Be honest here. Ggg is your favorite fighter. Almost everyone thinks Derv beat ggg. You're trying to play it off like Derv deserved better vs Charlo in an effort to make it seem like Charlo and ggg both struggled vs Derv. The problem is that it just isn't true.

Not at all. You always bring that up. As I've said before, even with my scoring, it basically shows GGG, Derevy, and Charlo are all about the same level right now. And I've always said Charlo has as good a chance to beat GGG as anyone the past couple years, with his explosiveness and GGG's aging reflexes. All of that is hardly a feather in GGG's cap from me, and it's obviously not hating on Charlo.

If I really saw Charlo dominate or do much better vs Sergei than GGG did, I have a bevy of excuses I could use if my intent was to prop up GGG. "GGG's old; he had a bad night; styles make fights" etc. I wouldn't lie and say I saw something other than what I did, lol. I honestly can't understand what kind of 'man' would score fights that way. It's not that serious.

My 'appreciation' that you say I have for GGG is because I've never legitimately seen him lose in the ring. It's impressive to me. The only 2 fights that were really close in his whole career on my card were Sergei and then Ouma, and he ended up stopping Ouma. I don't score his fights based on what I want to see, I score them based on what I see.

For some bizarre reason, people don't seem to want to score some of his punches, like his jab, or they want to overrate the work of his opponent in some rounds. The truth is he is really hard to beat so far, because he outworks you and is always scoring and landing with a strong jab, and his stamina and workrate lead to him piling up punches.

If I were going to give him extra credit on my cards, I sure as hell wouldn't have had Ouma that close. No one even really watched that fight of his. Why would I always bring that up if my intent were to prop him up. You don't listen man, it gets old.

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I was in the RBR reading the posts. Consensus there seemed to say it was an 8-4, 7-5 type of win for Charlo. The scorecards had it 8-4, 9-3, and 10-2 in his favor.

We are all aware of corruption in boxing. And that some guys really have no chance in certain fights. My point in mentioning that was that Sergei really had no chance to beat GGG, Jacobs, or Charlo on those nights. However, if things were neutral and he were given a fair shake, his record in those 3 fights would probably look a bit different. At worst he would get much better cards.

I thought he would at least get fair cards since both guys were with the same network, but from what I was reading and what the cards were, I don't think he had a chance that night. Not that he did against GGG, or Jacobs, for that matter anyway. Though he did lose to Culcay I think pretty clearly and got the W, so sometimes what goes around comes around.

[Boxing-1013]

The only explanation is that you're one of those people who see what they want to see. The problem is that it flat out didn't happen that way. Remember you were making posts about the wide scorecards in this fight before (by your own admission) you even watched it.

As I said a few times, Sergei outlanded Charlo by about 30 power punches. He outlanded him in power punches in 8/11 rounds. Charlo outlanded him by about 40 punches overall. Outlanding him overall in 8/12 rounds. Those numbers are all according to compubox.

Those numbers are more or less what I saw. When Charlo landed the jab well and didn't allow Sergei to get inside, he won the round. When his jab wasn't landing/was weak/was slipped, Sergei would get inside and win the round, as he was doing better work on the inside.

The anit-GGG crowd btw has way more of an agenda than any pro-GGG crowd on here. Most GGG fans on here seem to acknowledge how close GGG's fight was with Sergei, and some even score that fight for Sergei.

The anti-GGG crowd does not score GGG fights well, in the slightest. They aren't rational when they watch his fights, or any fights that include him tangentially, or any discussion about him. They have some type of weird obsession with him and I don't rate or evaluate fighters based on how each guy fared against one common opponent.

When I read the RBR thread, I was happy for Charlo that he was excelling that much. It would be good for boxing. But as Canelo (in the past anyway) and some others get in their fights, the bar for 'excellence' for Charlo in that fight was really low for a lot of people. And I owe it to any man who steps in the ring to evaluate his work too. Sergei deserved more credit that night. He was in that fight the whole way.

[Boxing-1013]

Because 10-9 rounds don't show you how close the rounds were. Don't know why boxing has a 10 point system when every round is scored 10-9 (without KD's) even if a fighter dominates the round or just shades it. Kind of unfair too. If a fighter dominates a round but his opponent shades another it wipes out his dominant round because they're both 10-9.

Klitschko-Fury is another fight where all the rounds were close, but people claim Fury dominated.

Yeah it's a good point overall about how fights should really be scored. I almost always split the too-close-to-call rounds in fights. I feel like most big fights have about 4-6 of those rounds. Not splitting them seems to be an invitation to corrupt judging and bad scorecards.

I never scored Fury-Wlad but the rounds I did watch, I wasn't blown away by Fury's performance either. From what I saw, I was a bit shocked he got a UD against the champ in the champ's backyard.

[Boxing-1013]

Can't remember if I scored it 117-111 or 116-112 for Charlo, it was a competitive fight, but Charlo definitely won

I had Ryder 9-3 vs Smith. And Canelo 9-3 vs Smith. 9-3 is a pretty dominant performance. I did not see that at all when I watched and wonder what a lot of guys were seeing.

I never watch fights with sound on when I score them. Maybe that had some impact. The announcers were surely propping up Charlo from the beginning I imagine. But it was a close fight the whole way when I watched it. Great fight really.

[Boxing-1013]

This man says I scored a fight like this to try and prop up GGG. The man who beat Derevy most clearly that I've seen is Jack Culcay. So I guess by his logic I actually think Culcay is better than GGG Charlo and Jacobs, and I guess Culcay is now the ATG GOAT in boxing since I hold GGG in such high regard.

The man 'just doesn't think', and doesn't listen.

[BigZ44]

I had Ryder 9-3 vs Smith. And Canelo 9-3 vs Smith. 9-3 is a pretty dominant performance. I did not see that at all when I watched and wonder what a lot of guys were seeing.

I never watch fights with sound on when I score them. Maybe that had some impact. The announcers were surely propping up Charlo from the beginning I imagine. But it was a close fight the whole way when I watched it. Great fight really.

Fights can be very competitive without being close on the scorecards, Derevyanchenko was in it throughout, but Charlo was clearly doing just a bit more most rounds. Just like you can have fights that are very close without really being competitive, where one guy just ekes out a couple rounds and maybe the other dude gives away a couple to rest, but dominates the remainder of the rounds, yet it can appear close on the cards.

[AKAcronym]

Charlo must be part Euro now because he didn't seem to like it to the body and if I recall got visibly hurt in one of the rounds. Can't remember what round though.

[anonymous2.0]

It depends on your definition of blowout, they were even for the first 4 rounds but then Charlo started to pull ahead and Chenko couldn't close the gap.