Where did this narrative that Usyk was some top tier heavyweight come from

[Stuntman Mike]

Haye took more clean shots in 5 rounds against Chisora than Usyk took in 12.

The only thing Haye had over Usyk was power. Usyk has a better chin, better defence, higher workrate and far more stamina than Haye.

It's hard to even imagine Usyk getting KTFO by a UK domestic level CW like Carl Thompson.

Haye was the far better fighter in his prime

Hes not as fundamental as usyk but he did everything better and the main thing which is needed at heavyweight is in fact power to get respect and usyk really doesn't have it

Hes going nowhere at heavyweight

Also haye fought a far more prime version of chisora one that gave vitali fits

Usyk fought one that was just ko'd by dillian whytr and has only had six rounds of pressure in him

Comparing usyk to haye is ridiculous

[Citizen Koba]

He didn't even look good against a past prime chisora. Someone please explain. He "cleaned" the cruiser division when it was by far its weakest in forever. He has some skills but he's a eurobum hypejob just like loma.

On what grounds would you call cruiser the 'weakest ever'? In fact I'd say the 200 division during Usyks reign was as deep as it's ever been and was finally coming into its own as a division in its own right rather than just a stepping stone division.

Oh, never mind... You just doing a bit of trolling huh?

That said the jury is very much out on whether he can do anything significant at Heavy, like you say the Chisora performance hardly inspires massive confidence and right now I'd pick Fury Joshua and maybe Wilder to beat him with fair confidence... Think he's got a reasonable shot against the likes of Parker, Whyte and Ruiz though.

[Stuntman Mike]

Oh so now you want to mention old injured Haye. You know why? Because even you know he doesn't match up to prime Haye. CW is garbage, always has been. Haye beat one of the best CW's ever. That win is better than Usyks pro career.

Wlad would have destroyed Usyk. FFS. You're lying to yourself. Joshua is going to beat 2 of yor favourite fighters soon. If Usyk doesn't get beat by slow arse joyce first.

Usyk just isn't going to get respect from Joyce I'm afraid usyks journey will come to an end

He may retire or he may end up like tomaz Adamek fighting the chisoras and whoever going life and death then getting stomped on when he steps up and I mean kod

It's up to usyk really he doesn't belong in the ring with the top 5 heavyweights of any generation

[kafkod]

.... some people at this forum really DKSAB!

[KingGilgamesh]

LOL he's beaten Joyce, Chisora, and Hunter quite handily. Those are all guys many of the divisions best prospects and even former title holders have struggled against.

[Stuntman Mike]

LOL he's beaten Joyce, Chisora, and Hunter quite handily. Those are all guys many of the divisions best prospects and even former title holders have struggled against.

How long ago did he beat Joyce again??
and handily ????

He went life and death with all 3 and looked extra fragile against a well past it chisora

He looked like a c level fighter against hunter and why even mention hunter he's a domestic level fighter

[Stuntman Mike]

Wlad couldn't lay a glove on Usyk in sparring, which is why he only sparred him once, and he wouldn't have touched him in a fight either.

If you think triangle theory is the way to compare fighters - Haye got KTFO twice by Bellew, who got KTFO himself by Usyk.

But I prefer to go by resume and accomplishments. Usyk is obviously levels above Haye. He was world and Olympic champion as an amateur. As a pro he literally cleaned out a cruiserweight division that was much more competitive than it was in Hayes's day.

Ok, Haye won a world title at HW ... against Valuev, one of the poorest world HW champions in the history of the division.

The threads about his heavyweight reign which is going nowhere fast

And to mention sparring as evidence??

What he did a couple of rounds with wlad ??

Where's the visual footage of this I'd love to be enlightened instead of word of mouth crap

[Stuntman Mike]

.... some people at this forum really DKSAB!

It's true love is really blinding ..I'm afraid your man at heavyweight will amount to nothing and the sooner you clean that bong of yours and get rid of whatever is contaminating it the better for your own mental health

[PRINCEKOOL]

The threads about his heavyweight reign which is going nowhere fast

And to mention sparring as evidence??

What he did a couple of rounds with wlad ??

Where's the visual footage of this I'd love to be enlightened instead of word of mouth crap

Yes there all just stories, while Haye has sparred with many top heavyweights and has not held back 'Video footage is all out there'.

All we have regarding Usyk is Dave Allen pining over him 'Dave Allen'.

Tony Bellew was also dead at the weight when he fought Usyk, he would not of been stopped at heavyweight vs Usyk.

[Stuntman Mike]

Yes there all just stories, while Haye has sparred with many top heavyweights and has not held back 'Video footage is all out there'.

All we have regarding Usyk is Dave Allen pining over him 'Dave Allen'.

Tony Bellew was also dead at the weight when he fought Usyk, he would not of been stopped at heavyweight vs Usyk.

Bellew is a good fighter he schooled usyk for the first 4 or 5 rounds if I'm not mistaken

But bellew is a fraction of the fighter haye was in his prime

..I believe prime haye vs prime bellew wouldn't be competitive at all