Canelo Alvarez Explains Testing Positive For Clenbuterol in Graham Bensinger Interview! Believe Him?

[BodyBagz]

Canelo ticks off both boxes, you sure I have to just pick one?

What's with the hold up ?

[Zaroku]

You missed out the most hilarious part. The Reynoso's are professional butchers

Roids son... go to Mexico TJ and dudes on the street offer you best prices on roids.

Sunspace is where???

[BodyBagz]

Maybe next time

[Citizen Koba]

Thank you, because I really don’t have the energy to argue. It’s like the Melodium thing with Povetkin back when he had “Heart issues” and how it “Wasn’t on WADA” list then...

I hear ya. I generally don't bother with it these days cos it's pretty much ancient history and everyone with an interest already made up their minds... but since Canelo's #1 fan on here felt the need to spam the forum with more claims of Canelo's innocence I thought I'd better clarify the situation once again.

[Blond Beast]

Past tense doesn’t matter! Lol. For the millionth time, Clenbuterol was amended in 2019! Any boxer who is
below 2ng and shows consistency for meat contamination is exonerated. Exonerations existed before 2019 too. USADA had an open database of non negligence cases as well as at fault.

My favourite fighter Eric Morales claimed tainted meat also for his positive clen test. He got off. Do you think it was from the meat? Or an older fatter Morales taking something tin try and get in shape? I could care less if fighters take gear, or clen. Christ ive taken Mexican clen it’s called spiropent, if anything it’s underdosed just like most of their gear. Heck your lucky to get 8mls out of any of their 10ml jugs. Like they told me down there “This is Mexico, it’s not clock work”. But tell me this what does the “and shows consistency for meat contamination” mean? So if your below 2ng I get that part. But what other properties do you have to show that mean it’s also consistent with meat contamination? Or did you mean to say a result of under 2ng shows that it’s consistent with meat contamination? Is that what you meant? Or is there other telling factors that they can tell it’s from meat? The more accurate these tests get the smaller traces they can find. If you think of how half life works. I know a nandrolone ( deca ) metabolite can be detected like 18 months after administration and that was a long time ago too. So just because someone has a tiny trace of something does that really guarantee that they just ingested a tiny amount that was in a piece of steak recently? Or could it potentially mean that you ingested a larger dose much further in the past? Like I said, I could care less if he even took it willingly. It’s not a big deal. Clen doesn’t make you a great fighter. People who have never taken gear are the ones who end up promoting them the most. It’s not like there’s any studies on all the different ways to ingest clen and how they represent in a drug test over various lengths of time. It totally could have been from the meat! It is used in cattle in Mexico. How wide spread I don’t know. Not USA though. I think Morales took it willingly cause I mean...
How many other fighters eating Mexican meat test positive? The point is we will never know.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I hear ya. I generally don't bother with it these days cos it's pretty much ancient history and everyone with an interest already made up their minds... but since Canelo's #1 fan on here felt the need to spam the forum with more claims of Canelo's innocence I thought I'd better clarify the situation once again.

Well the truth is “forum” culture will never have weight over Graham Bensinger’s work. Graham Bensinger nor Canelo Alvarez amended Clenbuterol. So your skepticism towards Canelo whether he did it intentionally or not doesn’t even matter. Passionate you are on your stance, but as you can see, I didn’t influence Graham nor ESPN Deportes to bring up Clen. It’s actually great that it happened because new gen fans learn more about WADA amending it. Imagine if WADA would’ve never amended it! Oh wait… that’s what Canelo haters had wished. Lol.

[Thuglife Nelo]

My favourite fighter Eric Morales claimed tainted meat also for his positive clen test. He got off. Do you think it was from the meat? Or an older fatter Morales taking something tin try and get in shape? I could care less if fighters take gear, or clen. Christ ive taken Mexican clen it’s called spiropent, if anything it’s underdosed just like most of their gear. Heck your lucky to get 8mls out of any of their 10ml jugs. Like they told me down there “This is Mexico, it’s not clock work”. But tell me this what does the “and shows consistency for meat contamination” mean? So if your below 2ng I get that part. But what other properties do you have to show that mean it’s also consistent with meat contamination?

I go to the gym too, for many years. I know guys on stuff that merely take things because they want to be like Instagram females showing selfies, no cap. I know guys that even abuse pills in the wrong regimen and microdose not knowing what da fck they’re talking about just to get the look they want, but in most of their experiences they didn’t like the effects of Clen. Most PEDS were invented for rehabilitation purposes and medical treatment and sportmen mgmt abused the use. Clenbuterol is not meant for activity such as boxing. You can abuse it at your own discretion but it can have serious side effects let alone that Clen makes everyone and anyone feel Horrible. If a fighter is trying to cut weight with it then they’ve surrender and acknowledging the process and side effects for the complete regimen cycle. For boxers who run and do heavy training taking Clen imho would induce serious cardio problems. So then you have Canelo haters citing microdosing. Canelo wouldn’t need That since he’s a gym rat. The work is there.

its already been proven that Horses administered Clen didn’t receive benefits in performances and many colllapsed or
died.

ask anybody who uses Clen. The context isn’t to make “weight” like on a boxing scale nor does the average Instagram power lifting bloke endure what boxer’s endure.

Canelo been fighting since he was a teen.

regarding Erik Morales, there was never a report of him having low trace amounts in the context of time. Morales was trying to make weight with his severely unpleasing fatty love handles at 140lbs. His love handles protruded as if he drank beer and ate lots of trans fat like Fury. Another boxer who was caught with anabolic steroids. It’s just unfortunate that Clen was already a problem with world bovine AS WELL AS gym lifters abusing its properties. Countries like Mexico had the worst circumstances.

Clenbuterol has really bad side effects. You could easily
die if you use it and train hard, the way Kimbo Slice got in the game of MMA using PEDS. Died of a heart attack. Just like many gym **** over doing their body’s natural strength

[Citizen Koba]

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...tic-commission

WADA themselves will tell you that they don't have a discriminatory test (and the research they are doing relates to hair strand testing not hair follicle testing as stated in the article btw) the whole thing was just a whitewash. Even the lab acknowledged that the resultys were hard to interpret and there simply hasn't been the research done to know whether they would have expected a positive or not given Canelo's urine level. **** they ain't even got testing protocols in place for testing for strand testing for Clenbuterol. I can go into more depth about melanin binding and so on if you like, but take it from me - or WADA if you prefer - the hair test that was done proves nothing at all.

Also you'll notice the use of language from the various 'experts' in the boxing world - it was always stated as being 'consistent' (not contradictory in legal terms) with meat contamination - what wasn't commonly stated was that anything that is 'consistent' with meat contamination is also 'consistent' with deliberate use.

In short the whole thing was a nicely managed piece of PR to try to convince the public that Canelo was innocent of deliberate use - now that isn't to say that he did cheat - the available data don't tell us for sure one way or another, and the campaign to sway public opinion is not in itself proof of anything.. they would have done that anyway regardless.

[kafkod]

That proves nothing to me. He took the hair test over a month after testing positive. The sheeit was almost out of his system when he popped dirty to begin with. This wasn't marijuana that stays in your system for a long time. He knew the beef was tainted but still supposedly ingested it while undergoing VADA testing. So either he is dumb as hell, a cheater or both, like I previously said. And I'm no GGG fan. He was still suspended for testing positive for a banned substance also.

Hair follicle testing is unreliable, because fair and red hair registers lower results than dark hair. That's why it isn't used by any of the WADA accredited testing agencies.

[BodyBagz]

WADA themselves will tell you that they don't have a discriminatory test (and the research they are doing relates to hair strand testing not hair follicle testing as stated in the article btw) the whole thing was just a whitewash. Even the lab acknowledged that the resultys were hard to interpret and there simply hasn't been the research done to know whether they would have expected a positive or not given Canelo's urine level. **** they ain't even got testing protocols in place for testing for strand testing for Clenbuterol. I can go into more depth about melanin binding and so on if you like, but take it from me - or WADA if you prefer - the hair test that was done proves nothing at all.

Also you'll notice the use of language from the various 'experts' in the boxing world - it was always stated as being 'consistent' (not contradictory in legal terms) with meat contamination - what wasn't commonly stated was that anything that is 'consistent' with meat contamination is also 'consistent' with deliberate use.

In short the whole thing was a nicely managed piece of PR to try to convince the public that Canelo was innocent of deliberate use - now that isn't to say that he did cheat - the available data don't tell us for sure one way or another, and the campaign to sway public opinion is not in itself proof of anything.. they would have done that anyway regardless.

So

Team Nelo has the sport and the testers on lock ?


WHY WON'T ANYONE ANSWER MY QUESTION ?!?!?!?