Canelo Alvarez Explains Testing Positive For Clenbuterol in Graham Bensinger Interview! Believe Him?

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  • BodyBagz
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    #71
    Originally posted by kafkod

    Hair follicle testing is unreliable, because fair and red hair registers lower results than dark hair. That's why it isn't used by any of the WADA accredited testing agencies.
    If Nelo would have failed the hair test, ''fight'' fans would feel vindicated

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    • Citizen Koba
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      #72
      Originally posted by Thuglife Nelo

      Well the truth is “forum” culture will never have weight over Graham Bensinger’s work. Graham Bensinger nor Canelo Alvarez amended Clenbuterol. So your skepticism towards Canelo whether he did it intentionally or not doesn’t even matter. Passionate you are on your stance, but as you can see, I didn’t influence Graham nor ESPN Deportes to bring up Clen. It’s actually great that it happened because new gen fans learn more about WADA amending it. Imagine if WADA would’ve never amended it! Oh wait… that’s what Canelo haters had wished. Lol.
      I think it's perfectly understandable and resonable that they ammended it (ethical arguments aside, potential litgation could well have become a problem for them), but I think it's also perfectly understandable and reasonable to be sceptical of Canelo's claims of innocence. As I've stated over and over the evidence don't give us proof - or even much indication of likelihood - either way. Simple fact is we just don't know.


      All we can say definitively is that Canelo failed a test for Clenbuterol (I consider the two failed tests as a singular instance since they relate to the same uptake of Clenbuterol) but what we can't say is whether that failure came about as a result of deliberate use or accidental contamination. Nothing WADA, VADA, Bensinger or Canelo himself says at this point changes that one iota.

      Frankly I don't care a great deal anymore - I consider it water under the bridge - whilst I got a huge amount of respect for Canelo as a fighter I personally ain't really a fan. I wouldn't have bothered bringing it up at all if you hadn't felt the need to keep repeating that nonsense about the WADA threshold somehow having a bearing on Canelo's innocence or guilt regarding delibeate PED use.

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        #73
        Originally posted by BodyBagz

        So

        Team Nelo has the sport and the testers on lock ?


        WHY WON'T ANYONE ANSWER MY QUESTION ?!?!?!?
        What question?

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          #74
          Originally posted by BodyBagz

          Which is more harmful to the sport

          Miniscule amounts of Clen
          OR
          OBVIOUS mismatches

          Pick ONE









          .

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            #75
            Originally posted by Citizen Koba

            What question?
            see above

            FoF gave up

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              #76
              Wow.........

              A one or the other type test and no one wants to take it

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                #77
                Maybe it's too early to be taking tests

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                • Thuglife Nelo
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                  #78
                  Originally posted by Citizen Koba

                  I think it's perfectly understandable and resonable that they ammended it (ethical arguments aside, potential litgation could well have become a problem for them), but I think it's also perfectly understandable and reasonable to be sceptical of Canelo's claims of innocence. As I've stated over and over the evidence don't give us proof - or even much indication of likelihood - either way. Simple fact is we just don't know.


                  All we can say definitively is that Canelo failed a test for Clenbuterol (I consider the two failed tests as a singular instance since they relate to the same uptake of Clenbuterol) but what we can't say is whether that failure came about as a result of deliberate use or accidental contamination. Nothing WADA, VADA, Bensinger or Canelo himself says at this point changes that one iota.

                  Frankly I don't care a great deal anymore - I consider it water under the bridge - whilst I got a huge amount of respect for Canelo as a fighter I personally ain't really a fan. I wouldn't have bothered bringing it up at all if you hadn't felt the need to keep repeating that nonsense about the WADA threshold somehow having a bearing on Canelo's innocence or guilt regarding delibeate PED use.
                  Again, In theory, the problem isn’t Canelo’s 2018 test. The real question is why would WADA amend their previous skepticism regarding Clenbuterol? If the whole narrative is
                  about cheating then this would be the go to drug of all drugs because it makes absolutely no sense for WADA to amend it. It’s not about Canelo at all. The WADA list applies the rule for all sports. It means every athlete would exploit the new rule. You think WADA wouldn’t have thought of that?

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                  • Citizen Koba
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by BodyBagz

                    see above

                    FoF gave up
                    Oh the mismatches or clen question? Personally I'd say mismatches but that doesn't mean that using drugs to gain an advantage is somehow OK. I'm not getting your point. Both are bad and wrong and both should be addressed. These ain't either / or issues.

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                    • QueensburyRules
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                      #80
                      - - Ghost nanograms well below the FAIL cutoff consistent with local food contamination. 90 % of BS FAIL a VADA test.

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