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  • #41
    Originally posted by REDEEMER View Post

    The Furys aren’t bright people .unfortunately, he could have been a great ambassador to the sport but they are scatterbrained people full of illogical views and contradictions .
    What a dumb thing to say.

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    • #42
      They ALL need to fight! If not then STFU about trying to label any of them "GREAT" same goes for Spence and Crawford at 147

      Fury is the closest to Greatness out of all of them because with the AJ fight and especially if he wins he would've fought Wlad, Wilder and AJ...also that Otto Wallin win looking better and better now

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      • #43
        Originally posted by KingGilgamesh View Post

        Nope doesn't stand a chance.

        It's amusing and embarrassing seeing people claim this when even daddy Hearn said he wouldn't want Joshus in the ring with Wilder until 2020.

        Everyone and their dog knows Wilder KOs Joshua. Deep down they've always known it. Joshua doesnt have the heart. That much is obvious. He would have to completely dominate Wilder to get him out of there. The moment he lands a solid right hell get flustered and it will unravel from there. In Joshua is the same thing I see in guys like Dubois, they completely crumble when their plan A falls apart and they're too robotic and engineered as fighters to come up with a plan B or rely on instinct.

        Wilder is a rude, arrogant, tough talking, scary black man so of course a lot of boxing fans will want him out of there. But Fury is right, Wilder isn't a guy you can go in there second guessing yourself against.
        Wilder has been rocked by Washington and Molina, put out on his feet for like 30 seconds and potentially saved by the bell vs Ortiz, dropped by 18-27 Harold Sconiers and absolutely run over by pillow fists Fury who right before that went the distance with ****ing Otto Wallin, so the idea that AJ couldnt hurt him bad is crazy. Not saying Wilder couldnt hurt the defensively shaky AJ too, I actually think the fight could go either way. But AJ would be the biggest puncher Wilder ever faced, also the 2nd or 3rd most skilled opponent he ever faced and he also negates the height/reach advantage Wilder has over most of his opponents.

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        • #44
          Fury is so bitter he's now saying beating him means nothing. Haha. Looks like it's all dawning on him that AJ is finally going to get his hands on him. I can't wait. Although there is still time for Fury to come up with something.

          Why would a win over a "Fighter" who hasn't beaten a single good world class fighter in nearly 50 fights mean anything in terms of era? Wilder never has, nor ever will be apart of it. He and Ortiz have their own thing going on where they refuse to fight anyone worth a damn but claim they're a somebody. They're not. They had their chance but ran like the cowards they are. AJ deserves to get his hands on the coward Wilder to bring justice for the years of slander on his name. But if Wilder still runs, then it's no biggie. He never meant anything anyway. It was nothing but hype. He was a creation without substance. A delusional and creepy coward there to laugh at and mock. Not a world class fighter.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Nash out View Post

            Bit of a daft comparison. Ruiz beat prime Joshua. When Joshua was Rated 1,2, or 3 in the world depending on opinion of Fury, Wilder, Joshua. When Mcdermott fought Fury, Fury was a domestic-level fighter, who at the time, would have been absolutely destroyed by anyone in the top 15. He beat Mcdermott btw, just not as wide as what the score was.
            Fury was dominated in that first fight by McDermott. Saying Fury won is just the usual madness from you.

            How many years had AJ had in boxing by the time he fought Ruiz? And how many years by the time Fury fought McDermott?

            AJ had something wrong with him BEFORE the Ruiz fight. Then he went and made a huge mistake by standing square on and swinging with all his weight with hooks against a smaller fighter with faster hands. That's a big no no with someone with his height and reach. Then he had his ear drum burst so he was all over the place for the rest of the fight. Athletes can make mistakes. But it's important to correct them. Which he did by dominating the rematch. Whereas Fury never lost against McDermott due to a moment of madness. So there's a massive difference there.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by 1hourRun View Post
              The steroids completely changed Tyson into a different boxer, since he lost to John McDermott didn't it? Added a whole lot of muscle to his
              spaghetti noodle frame and lost his hair and all. But Tyson did not avenge John McDermott fairly, he ( Phooey ) violated BBBofC protocols by forcing fatso to wear the BBE armature BBBofC approved boxing-gloves at the last minute, whilst Tyson got to use the pro Reyes punchers gloves ; McDermott asked to wear the same Reyes gloves, but Tyson being afraid of the ass whooping John handed him in the last fight, refused to let fat-John wear said brand of gloves. Tyson never beat John McDermott honestly.

              But anyways, greatest of this awful crop of HW's is really nothing to brag about, I cant remember any ATG being battered by a slob like McDermott, even as novice prospects, simply embarrassing.
              A bum in Bonavena beat Frazier. I don't consider Frazier a great, but many do. A shot Shmelling beat a prime and undefeated Louis. Dominated him from start to finish, dropped and stopped him. And they had many more fights than Fury.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by super-x View Post
                Why is wilders name keep being mentioned when its HIGHLY unlikely he ever fights again. That mental destruction caused by the physical beating he got that night i personally dont believe he will ever recover from... atleast not enough to fight again... Wilder had a massive ego... he really 100% believed he was the best and couldnt be beat... and that his right hand would ALWAYS bail him out. The proof of this is the constant nonsense hes spewed since that loss.
                Wilder never had any real confidence in himself. he wouldn't have ducked like an extreme coward otherwise for money way beyond his worth. He only acted it out when he knew Shirley would protect him from the bad men. But he did so in the most obvious and pathetic of ways. I've never seen anyone that mentally weak before. I would say he's the Charlie Zelenoff of boxing. But he isn't even that. Charlie would actually turn up to fight out of his own pocket, not for 10's of millions. Charlie even turned up to fight Wilder himself. So Charlie actually has more sincerity and confidence than Wilder does. That's how pathetic Wilder truly is.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by KingGilgamesh View Post

                  Nope doesn't stand a chance.

                  It's amusing and embarrassing seeing people claim this when even daddy Hearn said he wouldn't want Joshus in the ring with Wilder until 2020.

                  Everyone and their dog knows Wilder KOs Joshua. Deep down they've always known it. Joshua doesnt have the heart. That much is obvious. He would have to completely dominate Wilder to get him out of there. The moment he lands a solid right hell get flustered and it will unravel from there. In Joshua is the same thing I see in guys like Dubois, they completely crumble when their plan A falls apart and they're too robotic and engineered as fighters to come up with a plan B or rely on instinct.

                  Wilder is a rude, arrogant, tough talking, scary black man so of course a lot of boxing fans will want him out of there. But Fury is right, Wilder isn't a guy you can go in there second guessing yourself against.
                  Thank you for the professional levels of delusion. Wilder will happily accept you as one of his few fans. Haha.

                  Change the names, and you've got the truth. You've got it back to front. The Wilder game is up. EVERYONE knows he's a fraud who ducked for years. It even came out of Wilder's mouth that he ducked AJ. So keep on embarrassing yourself if you want like your coward does, but it won't change reality no matter how deranged and deluded you creatures are.
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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Nash out View Post

                    Peter Fury completely changed Tyson Fury's style to suit his skills. This era is far better than the garbage 90's era, where even the likes of Buster Douglas could win a title. I wouldn't back Douglas to beat Dave Allen. I know Mike Tyson looked great beating up D-level boxers, and Light heavyweights, but every time he stepped up he folded like a deck chair. Lewis (different class) Holyfield (different class) Douglas (only needed a half-decent jab to box Mike's head off) Danny Williams (Harder puncher) Kevin Mcbride ("Bigger, stronger man")
                    Anyone who calls the best and deepest era in Heavyweight boxing "Garbage", is truly missing vital pieces where it matters.

                    Dave Allen, a complete no mark, beats the version of Douglas that beat Mike Tyson? Shut up you absolute prat. Douglas beat many fighters who would slaughter Dave. Please don't forget to take your medicine again. It's disturbing.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by NachoMan View Post

                      New to the sport, eh?
                      No, he's just detached from reality. Very strange guy. Well you'd have to be to be that f3cking crazy.

                      It's shameful when you see so many freaks in this sport. Why couldn't it be full of people like Tennis gets? It would be nice then to actually engage and talk in a rational manner. But no, it has to be the most twisted and extreme of freak shows.
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