Was Marvelous Marvin Hagler robbed vs SRL?

**just the facts** · 03-14-2021, 03:12 PM

I was a HUGE Hagler fan (my favorite fighter all time) and at the time, I hated Leonard. This is extremely painful to say but, no, Leonard deserved the decision.

**Toffee** · 03-14-2021, 03:36 PM

I think the 'damage' argument is the only one that gives Hagler a shot. People assume that Hagler's punches did more more damage and Leonard's were ineffectual. That allows you to count MMH's punches as being worth more than Leonard's and then you can find early rounds for Hagler.

Well it looked to me like both fighters took the punches well. In most rounds Leonard was landing more, clean punches. You can't call them ineffectual just because Hagler came through them. Likewise you can't call Hagler's more effective just because it was Hagler throwing them.

I watched it again after hearing of Hagler's passing. And I still give it pretty clearly to SRL.

**TonyGe** · 03-14-2021, 03:45 PM

He wasn't robbed I thought Hagler barely won but Leonard did extremely well.

**LeOoze** · 03-14-2021, 03:49 PM

Leonard clearly won this fight. It is very, very difficult to find 6 or more rounds for Hagler.

**Tatabanya** · 03-14-2021, 03:54 PM

I have to watch it again, it's been many years from the last time.

But my opinion has always been that Leonard's flashy flurries conquered the judges as opposed to a slightly fading Hagler, who had left half of himself in the John Mugabi war.

**Eff Pandas** · 03-14-2021, 04:09 PM

I did a rbr scoring of this fight awhile back.

Boxing Forum

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/boxing-forums/boxing-history/812896-how-did-you-score-it-rbr-marvin-hagler-vs-ray-leonard

I had it 7-5 SRL, but of note 3 of those rounds I gave to SRL I considered close. So it could easily went either way. Bottom line is it was just a close fight whoever woulda won not a robbery.

**Toffee** · 03-14-2021, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Eff Pandas

I did a rbr scoring of this fight awhile back.
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...vs-ray-leonard

I had it 7-5 SRL, but of note 3 of those rounds I gave to SRL I considered close. So it could easily went either way. Bottom line is it was just a close fight whoever woulda won not a robbery.

Which 5 did you give to Hagler though? I'll bet you could also make a pretty comfortable case for swinging a few of them to SRL?

My view is that there were plenty of clear SRL rounds within the first half of the fight. Nothing to that point was clearly to Hagler, though you could potentially find one or two. You almost find yourself looking for signs from Hagler that would allow you to give him a round.

Definitely a tough fight to score. Part of it is just what sort of work you prefer. But definitely no robbery.

**VegasMichael** · 03-14-2021, 05:08 PM

I always thought it should have been a draw.

**El_Mero** · 03-14-2021, 05:53 PM

Ive watched it close to 65 times, still give it to Hagler by 3 rounds

Was Marvelous Marvin Hagler robbed vs SRL?