Furys already better than Tyson(whos great cause size alone) after AJ ko he'll be top 5 atg hw

[786]

What doesn't make sense is how those that claim Fury's an ATG or on the verge of becoming an ATG also say that Wilder's a bum, the worst heavyweight champ in history etc etc. So who has Fury beat? A past prime Wlad and the worst heavyweight champ in history, this makes him close to becoming a top 5 ATG? Come on.

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It pleases me that you didn't want to put Fury's resume into your own words.

Fury's resume is the best in the division, if not all of boxing.

[Marchegiano]

****, I'm stuck on Tyson let alone top 5 ATGs.

Is this size admiration? If that's the case then why're folks crying about BW? You either do or do not believe after 200 pounds size is no longer a huge factor. Pick a lane, and stay there.

If this is resume comparison, then, I'd say this is the converse or inverse of nostalgia. Fury's fought 3, this would be his fourth champion. Tyson beat 10. Fury has never been undisputed, Mike gathered the belts. Fury having never been undisputed has 0 defenses, Mike has 6 undisputed defenses. Fury's resume including Joshua would bring him to four former champions but one of them is a CW champion, one old, one unproven, and one decent.

You can tell me you're guessing Wilder will have a better career than Bruno or Tubbs, but, that's yet to be seen.

Wlad's a great name but not great enough to supplant Holmes. As far as old man beaten Holmes is the better olden.

Joshua's a great x2 champion for our era. Spinks would have beat Pulev, Ruiz, Povetkin, Parker, Takam, and an old Wlad...not not actually a better x2 champion than Spinks was, and, Spinks didn't have to lose his undisputed LHW crown to become the lineal HW champion. Two things Joshua is not and wouldn't be if Tyson Fury beats him.

As far as top 5 ATG:

Dempsey is probably the smallest man that would put Tyson Fury flat on his ass. His ability to get inside, his power, and his speed are too much for what Tyson Fury has displayed. Jess Willard wasn't that bad so much as lived at a time when his speed disadvantage could be taken advantage of.

Hell, for all the praise Wlad gets he sure does fight rather similarly to the unpraised Primo, who, like Willard, really wasn't a bad HW and would do well in a modern era but in his time had to overcome and failed to overcome the speed of smaller HWs.

Joe Louis is possibly the most efficient boxer the division has ever seen. It'd be easy work for him to tire Fury out.

Ezzard Charles is too fast for Tyson Fury.

Ali is too fast for Fury.

Joe Frazier has too much cardio for Fury.

Larry Holmes' jab is superior to Fury's. Larry's the guy who, imo, makes Tyson Fury look his worst by taking away his only solid opener.

Mike Tyson himself is too fast for Tyson Fury.

Holyfield's too smart for Tyson

Lennox is too talented and tough for Tyson

TBH, I'm not even sure dude beat Spinks at HW. Cunningham dropped him and Cunningham is not slick, fast, or clever as Spinks.

Chris Byrd's brilliant defense could very well be too much for Tyson Fury.

Sam Peter was quite good at getting close and delivering power. Dereck Chisora is no Peter analog.

Vitali Klistcko probably hits too hard for Tyson and isn't so worried about being hit.

Finally, Rocky Marciano destroys the bum. Not even a hard fight for Marciano. Tyson's big and even when he's punching ala the Wilder II fight he's still incorporating and looking for boxing ques. Not even a long fight for Marciano as that feinting jab is all Rocky wants out of this bum. One, singular, no look phantom overhead, and that's it for Tyson. He's unprepared for a 100 pound smaller man with bone crushing power who wants you to box him to deliver said power.


Top five? Maybe top twenty is more fair.

[BodyBagz]

Fury's resume is the best in the division, if not all of boxing.

[BodyBagz]

****, I'm stuck on Tyson let alone top 5 ATGs.

Is this size admiration? If that's the case then why're folks crying about BW? You either do or do not believe after 200 pounds size is no longer a huge factor. Pick a lane, and stay there.

If this is resume comparison, then, I'd say this is the converse or inverse of nostalgia. Fury's fought 3, this would be his fourth champion. Tyson beat 10. Fury has never been undisputed, Mike gathered the belts. Fury having never been undisputed has 0 defenses, Mike has 6 undisputed defenses. Fury's resume including Joshua would bring him to four former champions but one of them is a CW champion, one old, one unproven, and one decent.

You can tell me you're guessing Wilder will have a better career than Bruno or Tubbs, but, that's yet to be seen.

Wlad's a great name but not great enough to supplant Holmes. As far as old man beaten Holmes is the better olden.

Joshua's a great x2 champion for our era. Spinks would have beat Pulev, Ruiz, Povetkin, Parker, Takam, and an old Wlad...not not actually a better x2 champion than Spinks was, and, Spinks didn't have to lose his undisputed LHW crown to become the lineal HW champion. Two things Joshua is not and wouldn't be if Tyson Fury beats him.

As far as top 5 ATG:

Dempsey is probably the smallest man that would put Tyson Fury flat on his ass. His ability to get inside, his power, and his speed are too much for what Tyson Fury has displayed. Jess Willard wasn't that bad so much as lived at a time when his speed disadvantage could be taken advantage of.

Hell, for all the praise Wlad gets he sure does fight rather similarly to the unpraised Primo, who, like Willard, really wasn't a bad HW and would do well in a modern era but in his time had to overcome and failed to overcome the speed of smaller HWs.

Joe Louis is possibly the most efficient boxer the division has ever seen. It'd be easy work for him to tire Fury out.

Ezzard Charles is too fast for Tyson Fury.

Ali is too fast for Fury.

Joe Frazier has too much cardio for Fury.

Larry Holmes' jab is superior to Fury's. Larry's the guy who, imo, makes Tyson Fury look his worst by taking away his only solid opener.

Mike Tyson himself is too fast for Tyson Fury.

Holyfield's too smart for Tyson

Lennox is too talented and tough for Tyson

TBH, I'm not even sure dude beat Spinks at HW. Cunningham dropped him and Cunningham is not slick, fast, or clever as Spinks.

Chris Byrd's brilliant defense could very well be too much for Tyson Fury.

Sam Peter was quite good at getting close and delivering power. Dereck Chisora is no Peter analog.

Vitali Klistcko probably hits too hard for Tyson and isn't so worried about being hit.

Finally, Rocky Marciano destroys the bum. Not even a hard fight for Marciano. Tyson's big and even when he's punching ala the Wilder II fight he's still incorporating and looking for boxing ques. Not even a long fight for Marciano as that feinting jab is all Rocky wants out of this bum. One, singular, no look phantom overhead, and that's it for Tyson. He's unprepared for a 100 pound smaller man with bone crushing power who wants you to box him to deliver said power.


Top five? Maybe top twenty is more fair.

Here's the thing

Had Fury fans been on board with Wilder being a legit champ from the jump, then I can give them some leeway.

But up to the 1st fight, they considered Wilder a 1 trick pony who's BEST WIN was of a 60 year old geezer.

Now they consider him a ''long time reigning champ with the power to kill''

Talk about staying in lanes.

[STREET CLEANER]

Fanboyism is a disease.

[kushking]

****, I'm stuck on Tyson let alone top 5 ATGs.

Is this size admiration? If that's the case then why're folks crying about BW? You either do or do not believe after 200 pounds size is no longer a huge factor. Pick a lane, and stay there.

If this is resume comparison, then, I'd say this is the converse or inverse of nostalgia. Fury's fought 3, this would be his fourth champion. Tyson beat 10. Fury has never been undisputed, Mike gathered the belts. Fury having never been undisputed has 0 defenses, Mike has 6 undisputed defenses. Fury's resume including Joshua would bring him to four former champions but one of them is a CW champion, one old, one unproven, and one decent.

You can tell me you're guessing Wilder will have a better career than Bruno or Tubbs, but, that's yet to be seen.

Wlad's a great name but not great enough to supplant Holmes. As far as old man beaten Holmes is the better olden.

Joshua's a great x2 champion for our era. Spinks would have beat Pulev, Ruiz, Povetkin, Parker, Takam, and an old Wlad...not not actually a better x2 champion than Spinks was, and, Spinks didn't have to lose his undisputed LHW crown to become the lineal HW champion. Two things Joshua is not and wouldn't be if Tyson Fury beats him.

As far as top 5 ATG:

Dempsey is probably the smallest man that would put Tyson Fury flat on his ass. His ability to get inside, his power, and his speed are too much for what Tyson Fury has displayed. Jess Willard wasn't that bad so much as lived at a time when his speed disadvantage could be taken advantage of.

Hell, for all the praise Wlad gets he sure does fight rather similarly to the unpraised Primo, who, like Willard, really wasn't a bad HW and would do well in a modern era but in his time had to overcome and failed to overcome the speed of smaller HWs.

Joe Louis is possibly the most efficient boxer the division has ever seen. It'd be easy work for him to tire Fury out.

Ezzard Charles is too fast for Tyson Fury.

Ali is too fast for Fury.

Joe Frazier has too much cardio for Fury.

Larry Holmes' jab is superior to Fury's. Larry's the guy who, imo, makes Tyson Fury look his worst by taking away his only solid opener.

Mike Tyson himself is too fast for Tyson Fury.

Holyfield's too smart for Tyson

Lennox is too talented and tough for Tyson

TBH, I'm not even sure dude beat Spinks at HW. Cunningham dropped him and Cunningham is not slick, fast, or clever as Spinks.

Chris Byrd's brilliant defense could very well be too much for Tyson Fury.

Sam Peter was quite good at getting close and delivering power. Dereck Chisora is no Peter analog.

Vitali Klistcko probably hits too hard for Tyson and isn't so worried about being hit.

Finally, Rocky Marciano destroys the bum. Not even a hard fight for Marciano. Tyson's big and even when he's punching ala the Wilder II fight he's still incorporating and looking for boxing ques. Not even a long fight for Marciano as that feinting jab is all Rocky wants out of this bum. One, singular, no look phantom overhead, and that's it for Tyson. He's unprepared for a 100 pound smaller man with bone crushing power who wants you to box him to deliver said power.


Top five? Maybe top twenty is more fair.

1st off I think your assessment is way off as far as who would beat Fury,but you are also conflating what I'm saying as meaning Fury would beat everyone besides 5 boxers all time(I'm not saying that)

what I am saying is that Fury will have accomplished enough that it would be a top 5 all time heavyweight (who would be a test for anyone of any era,ali was tiny af compared to him, Foreman was slow but would be among the few I'd pick to beat Fury)

He has technically unified hw by winning all 4 belts,& if he kos AJ as I expect he'll be completely unified Undefeated heavyweight champ that is miles above everyone & has no peers(& contrary to whats claimed,this era has very difficult fighters that can hang with other eras,because these hws are enormous & have the best conditioning & nutrition.

[billeau2]

Prove me wrong(I also say he beats Lennox too)

(Hate replies are welcome as long as you explain why u think im a punk,btch,hater,fanboi,etc)

Tyson Fury already has done more than Tyson,& once he kos AJ he'll be top 5 ATG hw.

Tysons greatest accomplishment is how small he was taking out much bigger men.

Fury would beat prime Tyson too,& Lewis

If Tyson does well this fight and shows himself a class above Joshua, an entirely possible outcome, I might consider him able to beat Lewis. It depends how things look a few years from now when we can see both men in a historical light. It would help if Fury, assuming he beats Joshua, has a few more tough fights...

For example, I love Andre Ward because when I consider his reign, I look at when he cleaned out his division... that was "cake" lol... But when he then fought up and beat Kovalev, to me that was the "Icing!" If you catch my drift (sorry about mixing cake and snow metaphors! lol)

[billeau2]

You were calling Wilder an ATG KO artist before Fury knocked him out tho? You predicted him to comfortably KO Fury in both fights lol.

Fury is already the greatest HW of this era, and will cement it after he knocks AJ out. However trolls will still try and claim that Fury is rubbish, that AJ was never any good, and that Fury needs to rematch Wilder, or fight Usyk & Hrgovic etc etc.

Anyone who knows boxing knows how good Fury is, that's why all the professionals, other than shills like Bellew & Haye, predict Fury to win.

The present lense is always one where a fighter is viewed under the worse of circumstances... People generally have no vision so when asked to use some foresight, some real prognostication, not the usual sensationalism, they become very defensive. Even someone like Houdini who should know better, and has good talent recognition falls down!

its ok Denium... If we were to take a time machine to these boards and look at how Lewis was viewed, we would get the same bias we see regarding Fury... Most boxing pundits were sure Razor Ruddock would show that soft talking brit/Canadian/ Murican/Jamaican what time it was!! Even after Every opponent was going to expose Lewis.

Fury is an old time fighter. Unlike most, he was trained to box, like it used to be done, from his boyhood. His body movement alone, IF it was accomplished using a body half his size, is way evolved past most fighters today. If one makes a list of all the things he can do in the ring, it far exceeds any heavyweight by leaps and bounds...

I do think we have to see if Fury comes through in spades for the Joshua fight. If he is prepared, ready and if perhaps, Joshua also has developed some real talents from his experience that may make one rethink how great Fury is... But if Fury is as dominant, I see no reason why he should not be mentioned as a potentially ATG... At least discussed.

[OnlytheTruth]

Prove me wrong(I also say he beats Lennox too)

(Hate replies are welcome as long as you explain why u think im a punk,btch,hater,fanboi,etc)

Tyson Fury already has done more than Tyson,& once he kos AJ he'll be top 5 ATG hw.

Tysons greatest accomplishment is how small he was taking out much bigger men.

Fury would beat prime Tyson too,& Lewis

How about the FACT that Tyson Fury hasn't ever defended a belt? There you go, he hasn't done more than Mike Tyson.

The only way that Fury becomes a consensus top 5 ATG is if he wins undisputed, defends to at least 5 consensus top 10 current heavyweights, builds a time machine and then goes back and beats the actual top 5 ATG; Ali, Johnson, Louis, Rocky and Holmes.

That fantasy only exists in the heads of those who LOVE Fury over the sport itself.