Team Paul Williams: “We Will Test Pavlik’s China Chin”

[FaustoGeraci]

I said the same thing. Seems to me like Champ got it
in for Paul. But even Dan Rafael on ESPN said Williams
is a WAY TALENTED fighter than Miguel Cotto and Champ
thinks the world of him and to many that I mingle with
have stated that Cotto is overrated. The difference between
the two is that Cotto has reached his peak and is not getting
any better but Williams gets better each time he fights.
Talking about the Margarito fight was close? What about
the Clottey fight with Cotto? I bet Champ would say that
the Mosley/Cotto fight wasn't close and clearly that fight
was closer than Williams/Margarito. AND to top it off, Cotto
has Williams WBO belt that he didn't win from him and
won't defend it against lil Pac? Not trying to make it a beef
on boxing thing but I have been noticing the hate on Williams.
How can Champ say that Williams is not good but dominating
but praise Cotto who's been struggling? Kelly has power and
experience at that wait but Williams is a handful for anyone
from 147-160.

Exactly my man. We both know Williams would destroy Cotto inside the distance. Pacquiao might stop Miguel. There have been lots of fighters like Cotto. Williams is one of a kind. When it's all said and done Pauls legacy will trump Cottos easily. Anybody that knows boxing knows that. Delusional ****riders that just rep Cotto cuz he's puerto rican crack me up.

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It has been brought up earlier in this thread that a lot of people turned their back on Kelly Pavlik after he suffered that loss to Hopkins, and there is some truth to that. I didn't necessarily turn my back on Pavlik after that loss, but I did lose some respect for him because of it. He viewed Hopkins as an easy mark for a nice chunk of change and it back fired on him. I know Pavlik's options were limited. And that match between Pavlik and Hopkins would've never happened if Williams would've accepted this fight when it was on the table last year. I don't know how much Williams is going to be getting paid compared to the offer last year, but he isn't going to get as much credit for the victory as he would have when Pavlik was on a high note.

Iceta, me and you usually posts back and forth smoothly but this
statement I can't cosign brother. Pavlik is at his natural weight
so IF Williams beats him where Pavlik is the Middle Weight Champ
then Williams gets much credit for that.

[Dave Rado]

I've read it in Dan Rafael's blogs. Of course I don't like Rafael, because he is a little suck ass. But according to his blogs it was Pavlik's managers who made this fight happen.

Well I wish they'd done the same for the Abraham fight, if that's true.

It has been brought up earlier in this thread that a lot of people turned their back on Kelly Pavlik after he suffered that loss to Hopkins.

A lot more people turned their back on him when he didn't make a fight with Abraham. The Hopikins loss was forgiveable, partly because Hopkins is an ATG, partly because Pavlik was just naive in his game plan and ought to be able to learn from it. But his failure to make a fight with Abraham is far harder to forgive.

[Dave Rado]

Seems to me like Champ got it in for Paul.

Champ doesn't rate Paul nearly as highly as you or even I do, but he's entitled to his opinion. He's not a hater, and he doesn't have it in for anyone. He just tells it like he sees it. And in some respects his opinions on Williams are closer to those of most boxing analysts than yours are - you think that the Williams-Margarito fight was not close, but most boxing analysts disagree with you.

And contrary to what you say, I've never seen a nuthugging post by him regarding Cotto. For instance he recently posted that JMM's résumé ****s all over Cotto's. You should have some respect for a fan who has the objectivity to post things like that.

[Trevbutler]

Williams is going to get knocked out. I'm not a willliams or pavlik fan so I'm not biased. But trust me, he will get knocked out. The first couple of rounds might be kinda slow with both trying to get things figured out, but by the 4th or 5th round paul is going to start catching him clean a LOT. And most likely by the 7th or 8th it will get stopped somehow.

Someone earlier in the thread is on to the truth as well. Pavlik has not looked good since the 1st taylor fight. In the second taylor fight he took a lot of clean punches, I think it took a bit out of him. Then he fought hopkins and looked like absolute dog crap and got pounded on for the distance. Now tell me that he is going to be the same pavlik that captured the middle weight chapionship? Pavlik is not completely damaged goods at this point, but he has fallen enough that a young hungry guy like williams, that can box good, has crazy reach, decent power and a good chin and throws nonstop punches, paul will destroy him. He is made to order for williams.

I'm not a Pavlik fan but I dont mind the guy. But he is so straight forward its ******. "Throw that double jab!". jab jab right. jab jab right. Thats all there is to it, no head movement, no avoiding punches. Just straight up.

[Iceta]

I said the same thing. Seems to me like Champ got it
in for Paul. But even Dan Rafael on ESPN said Williams
is a WAY TALENTED fighter than Miguel Cotto and Champ
thinks the world of him and to many that I mingle with
have stated that Cotto is overrated. The difference between
the two is that Cotto has reached his peak and is not getting
any better but Williams gets better each time he fights.
Talking about the Margarito fight was close? What about
the Clottey fight with Cotto? I bet Champ would say that
the Mosley/Cotto fight wasn't close and clearly that fight
was closer than Williams/Margarito. AND to top it off, Cotto
has Williams WBO belt that he didn't win from him and
won't defend it against lil Pac? Not trying to make it a beef
on boxing thing but I have been noticing the hate on Williams.
How can Champ say that Williams is not good but dominating
but praise Cotto who's been struggling? Kelly has power and
experience at that wait but Williams is a handful for anyone
from 147-160.

Williams is doing something that Cotto should have already done. People talk about how deep Cotto's resume is. But when has there ever been a time of where he went after a guy who was #1 ranked in the division or the guy who was ranked beneath him in Paul Williams? Cotto has fought good opponents, but the best guys he has fought he has either given in like in the Margarito fight or he barely squeaked out decisions against Clottey and Mosley. And Cotto has never beaten an actual champion for their title belt.

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The most biased, least objective post in the whole thread.

Nah Dave, you can't get on Homey for that post because
it has a lil of everything in there and it makes sense. Champ
do be going in on Williams a lil too hard to just be objective
about him as a boxer. I for one noticed that earlier but didn't
really want to get into it with him, ESPECIALLY when he said
the Williams/Margarito fight was close but will praise Cotto
for out boxing Margarito for 7 rounds and bring up the plaster
excuse every time someone speaks on the fight BUT will
not take into consideration that Margarito could of had
Plaster on too when he fought Williams AND Williams
STILL won & Cotto didn't. Why bring up the Margarito
fight to discredit his chances against Pavlik when Cotto
got slaughtered BUT praise him for struggling against
Clottey and saying he convincingly beat Mosley? To
me that's more bias than anything I've read. No big
deal but I'm just calling it how I see it.

[Iceta]

Well I wish they'd done the same for the Abraham fight, if that's true.



A lot more people turned their back on him when he didn't make a fight with Abraham. The Hopikins loss was forgiveable, partly because Hopkins is an ATG, partly because Pavlik was just naive in his game plan and ought to be able to learn from it. But his failure to make a fight with Abraham is far harder to forgive.

People blow that Abraham situation out of proportion too much. I'm a little bit disappointed in Pavlik for not fighting him. But what is the best win on Abraham's resume besides Miranda? And HBO never put up a solid money amount for both guys like they are doing with this fight. Pavlik wasn't scared of him, it's just that Abraham refused to fight good opponents. He is finally doing that with Jermaine Taylor. But when he was at 160, he should've tried to fight higher profile opponents than what he did to build more interest in the fight. And Pavlik should take some heat for that fight not happening, but people just make too much of a big deal out of it.

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Champ doesn't rate Paul nearly as highly as you or even I do, but he's entitled to his opinion. He's not a hater, and he doesn't have it in for anyone. He just tells it like he sees it. And in some respects his opinions on Williams are closer to those of most boxing analysts than yours are - you think that the Williams-Margarito fight was not close, but most boxing analysts disagree with you.

Ok so if that is that case, he thinks Cotto was out boxing Margarito
for 7rds and beating him up until the plaster set in and Cotto got
tired...... To me, that's bull****, Cotto NEVER controlled the fight
with Margarito because he couldn't stop his momentum, hurt him
OR get to his body. Williams out boxed Margarito, Cotto didn't.
So your saying his opinion on the fight makes more sense than mine?
A close fight to me is Cotto/Mosley, Cotto/Clottey, those are close
fights. On the scored cards, the judges had it close but in the ring
Williams controlled that fight and NEVER let Margarito take control
of it EVEN when Margarito hit him with bombs AND Williams closed
out strong in the 12th. How could that fight be considered close?
Margarito NEVER took over the fight from Paul.

[Iceta]

Iceta, me and you usually posts back and forth smoothly but this
statement I can't cosign brother. Pavlik is at his natural weight
so IF Williams beats him where Pavlik is the Middle Weight Champ
then Williams gets much credit for that.

Oh he deserves credit, don't get me wrong. But the Hopkins defeat that Pavlik suffered and the fact that we haven't seen Pavlik beat a top quality fighter since that loss will kind take a little bit of shine from the victory if Williams acheives it is all I'm saying. You are however correct about this fight taking place at Pavlik's most effective weight class. I just kind of scratch my head about why Williams turned his nose up at the first offer to fight Pavlik at the time he was undefeated. But the Winky Wright victory helped raise Paul's clout in the negotiation process of the fight with Pavlik.