Team Paul Williams: “We Will Test Pavlik’s China Chin”

[sportsplato]

interesting fight i see pavlik stoping willliams

no way pwill gonna win by ko.
he's fyting a regular mw in d'ghost and he's movin up weight.
if ever there is a t/ko,...pavlik wins.
the punisher will win from his voluminous punches thrown.
i lean on kelly on this one.....even by ko if paul slugs it out.

I am willing to bet up to 20K on Pwill getting the "W". Any takers? Send me a message.

[Derranged]

You gotta give Williams credit for taking this fight. Its a huge risk.

[Dave Rado]

Why did he offer that $3 million amount to Sturm, but not Pavlik?

He did offer him that sort of money to fight him in Germany but Pavlik wasn't interested in fighting there, even though he could have had a neutral (non-German, non-Armenian) ref and judges. He wasn't in a position to make an offer if the fight was to be held in the US, because it is Arum who has the relationship with the US networks and venues, not Abraham's promoter - it was for Arum to make an offer to Abraham if the fight was to be held in Pavlik's back yard. And he refused to do so.

But you can't bash Pavlik's resume and at the same time praise Abraham's.

The issue is not their résumés but the fact that Abraham and his promoter tried seriously to make the fight happen for over a year, and Arum blocked it and made it clear in many interviews that he wanted Pavlik to fight the Diddy Doddy Duddys of the world rather than anyone who might pose any risk. To be fair to him, Pavlik himself probably did want it to happen, but he could, and should, have told Arum to stop the bull**** and just make it happen - which he seems to have done with the Williams fight. Abraham wanted the fight to happen, Arum didn't, that's the bottom line.

[Dave Rado]

After Pac destroyed Hatton I gave him full respect and you know
it because you read my post after they fought. I'm just making
a point on how some could argue that both De La Hoya and Hatton
wasn't at their best when they fought Pac BUT Pac still gets full credit
for beating two fighters that were already beaten by another prior
SO Williams should get FULL CREDIT because this fight with Kelly
Pavlik would be at his best weight. Can't really give credit half
way because credit is credit.

He gets full credit for the devastating manner of the wins (especially against Hatton) and for the way he fought, and his perfectly executed game plans. Not just for the fact he won - most people expected him to beat Hatton, but no one expected it to be so devastating or one sided. The credit he gets is primarily for the devastating manner of his victory, not for the fact he won.

If Williams beats Pavlik as devastatingly as Pac beat Hatton, he'll get a huge amount of credit from everyone (other than really extreme haters), regardless of the fact that Pavlik has already been beaten badly by Hopkins. But Pac would have had been given even more credit than he was for his win over Hatton if there had not already been question marks over Hatton due to his performances against not only Floyd but also Lazcano, where his punch resistance seemed to be going. And Williams would be given even more credit by most people had he beaten an unbeaten fighter who was being compared at the time by some people in P4P terms with Foreman in terms of punching power than he will be given now. But a lot depends on the nature of the win, and how dominating it is.

The fact that he beat Winky in such a one-sided fashion, even though Winky didn't fight badly at all, and didn't look at all rusty, is what impressed everyone so much about that win, not the fact he won as such.

[Njord777]

It's going to be very interesting, to me, if Paul can pull out a victory- which I'm not convinced he has the size to do. Now, I'll be the first to admit that Williams is no Hopkins- nobody is Bernard other than Bernard- but with the really sound beating Pavlik took in that fight, well, the gameplan to beat him is there. Whether or not anyone can replicate it, I can't say- especially because Bernard had size on his side- but I don't see Kelly ever making the type of adjustments that a similiar gameplan wouldn't beat him a second time.

Paul has been bouncing around from 147-160, and I just don't know where he belongs. Does he have the size to take on middleweights? Height is one thing, Paul never fills out much. Even if he drains a bit to get to welterweight, he might be more comfortable with those men than he is with Kelly.

Should Paul beat Pavlik, though, I'd be a bit happy because the days of him not getting fights will be forever over. He'd be the middleweight champion of the world and, like it or not, people are going to sign on the dotted line to try and take what he's got. Men at 160 will be much quicker to step up against Williams than the welterweight boys were; so we'd really find out what Paul's made of in the coming years.

I've always seen Kelly Pavlik as a solid, decent boxer with some good pop, but one who is thoroughly beatable. I'm just not sure if Paul can hang with Kelly, though.

[GRUSTLER]

It's going to be very interesting, to me, if Paul can pull out a victory- which I'm not convinced he has the size to do. Now, I'll be the first to admit that Williams is no Hopkins- nobody is Bernard other than Bernard- but with the really sound beating Pavlik took in that fight, well, the gameplan to beat him is there. Whether or not anyone can replicate it, I can't say- especially because Bernard had size on his side- but I don't see Kelly ever making the type of adjustments that a similiar gameplan wouldn't beat him a second time.

Paul has been bouncing around from 147-160, and I just don't know where he belongs. Does he have the size to take on middleweights? Height is one thing, Paul never fills out much. Even if he drains a bit to get to welterweight, he might be more comfortable with those men than he is with Kelly.

Should Paul beat Pavlik, though, I'd be a bit happy because the days of him not getting fights will be forever over. He'd be the middleweight champion of the world and, like it or not, people are going to sign on the dotted line to try and take what he's got. Men at 160 will be much quicker to step up against Williams than the welterweight boys were; so we'd really find out what Paul's made of in the coming years.

I've always seen Kelly Pavlik as a solid, decent boxer with some good pop, but one who is thoroughly beatable. I'm just not sure if Paul can hang with Kelly, though.

I think 160 may be Williams strongest weight class. I mean he did
lay out a natural middle weight, PLUS he's a big guy so it should be
good for him to fight at higher weights do to his size. So in actuality
he may be able to hang with Pavlik with no problems.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Someone I know mentioned before that earlier in his career Pavlik was rocked by lesser fighters. Don't know how true but there is no questioning his heart IMO. I was a little surprised how many times Hopkins was able to stun him though. The Executioner isn't much of a one-punch guy.

Hopkins is a bigger man, fighting him at a heavier weight and was hitting him clean!!!!!!

But I agree B-Hop doesnt pack that great power.

Still he doenst have a china chin, it might not be granite, but definetly not china!!

And Williams doesnt pack great power either!

It is the punches that you don't see coming that hurt you. B Hop has a nact for hitting you clean with that right hand he leans into his right hand and hits you with the counter. Counter punches hurt and stun you. Boxing 101 my dear watson...

Hopkins can crack. He just isn't a one punch guy, but Hopkins usually stuns his opponents a few times in all of his fights. He would have had a lot more KOs if he let his hands go late in his career.

Agreed Bully he can defintely crack. he has decent power in both hands but he is a coutner puncher with good strategy and defense. He never really went for the kill and when he did well you saw what happened to Pavlik and Tito....

Peterson is right though, its not like you need a gameplan for Pavilk. hes gonna come foward, eat punches, and throw aot of punches, thats it. AND THE NEW....

yes we know what Kelly is going to do use his jab to set up his right hand. He picks off punches with his gloves and comes forward. He will throw a decent volume of punches and land. I do not see P Will as being a great defender and if he stand in front of Pavlik he will be ghost....Lefty

[ricky1978]

Williams got rock a couple times when he fought at welterweight, I am pretty sure that wasn't healthy comparing how tall he is. On this fight he is coming in at a healthy weight, so I will see Will dominating Pavlik easy in the later rounds.

[Iceta]

He did offer him that sort of money to fight him in Germany but Pavlik wasn't interested in fighting there, even though he could have had a neutral (non-German, non-Armenian) ref and judges. He wasn't in a position to make an offer if the fight was to be held in the US, because it is Arum who has the relationship with the US networks and venues, not Abraham's promoter - it was for Arum to make an offer to Abraham if the fight was to be held in Pavlik's back yard. And he refused to do so.



The issue is not their résumés but the fact that Abraham and his promoter tried seriously to make the fight happen for over a year, and Arum blocked it and made it clear in many interviews that he wanted Pavlik to fight the Diddy Doddy Duddys of the world rather than anyone who might pose any risk. To be fair to him, Pavlik himself probably did want it to happen, but he could, and should, have told Arum to stop the bull**** and just make it happen - which he seems to have done with the Williams fight. Abraham wanted the fight to happen, Arum didn't, that's the bottom line.

Pavlik did want it to happen. That is what Loew has always said over on Greg Leon's web site. And Arum would've kept this fight between Williams and Pavlik from happening, but DeBeof and Dunkin got it done. I don't know how hard HBO tried to make the fight with Abraham and Pavlik happen. Sometimes it is up to the networks to put up some money like they are doing with this fight, and it seems like they never did. And if they did, I don't know about it. Abraham needs to at least beat Jermaine Taylor to have the clout to fight Pavlik. He doesn't necessarily have to win the whole tournament. But at least beat one A-level fighter. If he can do that, then I'll be convinced that Pavlik did something terribly wrong by not fighting him.

[CaLLaHaN]

2 of my fav fighters fighting but pwill got this