Team Paul Williams: “We Will Test Pavlik’s China Chin”

[FLY TY]

If Williams stops Pavlik, it will probably be from accumulation and not some dramatic punch out.

i see him hurting him with a punch, and possibly getting the fight stopped w/ a flurry.

Look at the unofficial scores here.

was a close fight...

[Dave Rado]

Dave - he does lol. I can tell you with all confidence that Williams' handlers believe he can't be beat and is there most prized pupil. Mind you, these same handlers work with Floyd Mayweather.

But they can't really think that Pavlik's chin is china. That's just silly.

[FLY TY]

But they can't really think that Pavlik's chin is china. That's just silly.

the "china" part is just **** talk....

it sounds better than just saying, "he's been down before, he's been hurt before, we can do the same to him."

[Dave Rado]

don't you remember that bob arum wanted the rematch because he felt that margarito had won the fight but williams and his team refused

Have you been living on Mars? Here on earth, Goossen offered Margarito a $4 million guarantee to fight Williams, but Marg turned it down to fight Mosley for £2.3 million. See here:

At one point, Williams’ promoter, Dan Goossen, tried to make the rematch by making Margarito an offer of $4 million dollars. The offer, sent over to Bob Arum of Top Rank, was never passed on to Margarito’s team. Last November, Sergio Diaz, Margarito’s co-manager, told BoxingScene.com that he was unaware of any $4 million dollar offer for a Williams rematch. Diaz approached Top Rank about the Williams rematch, and Arum denied the existence of such an offer.

"We spoke to our promoter about the Williams fight and no formal offer was ever made. I can go on the Internet and say we offered any amount of money for whatever fighter. Bob told us there was no formal offer made — it was just an Internet offer," Diaz said.

Top Rank president Todd duBoef, echoed Diaz’s statements during an interview with Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports. During his conversation with Iole, duBoef said there "never was a Williams offer."

Iole did some digging and received two hard pieces of evidence from Dan Goossen. The first was a letter dated July 31, which Goossen sent to Arum. In the letter, Goossen offered Margarito "a minimum guarantee of $4 million against 50 percent of net revenues to Top Rank/Margarito."

The second piece of evidence was a letter dated August 4, rejecting Goossen’s offer. Arum tried to make a fight between Williams and Pavlik, but the two sides were never able to reach an agreement. More so than the experience from the Pavlik negotiations, Arum refused to do business with Williams’ advisor Al Haymon.

"Thank you for your letter of July 31, 2008 regarding Paul Williams. After the terrible experience I was subjected to by Paul Williams, his camp and advisor in connection with a (Kelly) Pavlik fight, I have absolutely no intention whatsoever to be involved in any fight with Mr. Williams. Accordingly, your proposal is in all respects rejected and I would request that you do no contact me again regarding Mr. Williams," Arum wrote in the letter.

As early as November, Top Rank was laying the groundwork for Margarito’s 2009 experience. A fight with Shane Mosley in January, a rematch with Miguel Cotto in June, and a possible third fight at the end of the year. Most were anticipating, or at least hoping, that Williams would become the year-end opponent for 09.

When Margarito stepped in the ring to fight Mosley, he was a 4-1 favorite to win. There were very few who gave Mosley a respectable shot to win the fight.

Williams thought Mosley would beat Margarito, but even he was surprised with the one-sided nature of the fight. Williams told BoxingScene.com that Margarito is done as a top fighter. Over the years, Margarito has been involved in a number of wars. Williams credits those wars as the contributing factors to Margarito’s physical decline against Mosley.

“I'm sure Margarito wishes he took that deal now. He would have still lost but at least he would have went to the bank. Instead he lost his title, his pride and $2 million dollars [Margarito made $2.3 for Mosley]. I thought Molsey would win. I though Mosley would win the first seven rounds and Margarito would come on late, but after I saw him taking all of those punches - I knew it was just a matter of time,” Williams said.

To be fair to Marg, it seems to be more due to Arum's dislike for Goossen and Hayden than anything else.

[Jim Jeffries]

Look at the unofficial scores here.

Wow, a third of the unofficial had it a draw, a third had Margarito, and a third had Williams. Sounds pretty close to me. Personally I had Williams winning, since Margs pretty much gave away the first 4 rounds. Though I think the 11th could've almost been a 2 pt round for Tony, I still would've had Paul by a point, even with that.

[Dave Rado]

the "china" part is just **** talk....

it sounds better than just saying, "he's been down before, he's been hurt before, we can do the same to him."

To me it just makes them look silly. But if it sells tickets then good luck to them.

[Iceta]

I think that Pavlik has to return to form when he goes into this fight with Williams. He fought a really good fight in the first fight with Taylor except for sticking his chin out. He mixed his punches up better and hurt Taylor with a good left hook to the body in one of the early rounds of that fight. If that version of Pavlik shows up to fight Williams, then I don't think that he will lose to Paul Williams. I just think that it is bad that we are hearing about all of this high life that Pavlik is living outside of the ring. And I kind of question whether or not his cofidence is back up to par after that beating he got from B-Hop.

[FLY TY]

To me it just makes them look silly. But if it sells tickets then good luck to them.

nah, i don't think it makes them look silly. they see pavlik as being a guy that has been KD before, and has been hurt a few times. i think they really believe they can hurt him.

pavlik's chin is decent, not great or good, as somebody posted on here earlier. he has great heart though, but that shouldn't be confused with him having a "great" chin. personally, i wouldn't be too surprised if either guy takes a nap in this fight.....

[Iceta]

Have you been living on Mars? Here on earth, Goossen offered Margarito a $4 million guarantee to fight Williams, but Marg turned it down to fight Mosley for £2.3 million. See here:

At one point, Williams’ promoter, Dan Goossen, tried to make the rematch by making Margarito an offer of $4 million dollars. The offer, sent over to Bob Arum of Top Rank, was never passed on to Margarito’s team. Last November, Sergio Diaz, Margarito’s co-manager, told BoxingScene.com that he was unaware of any $4 million dollar offer for a Williams rematch. Diaz approached Top Rank about the Williams rematch, and Arum denied the existence of such an offer.

"We spoke to our promoter about the Williams fight and no formal offer was ever made. I can go on the Internet and say we offered any amount of money for whatever fighter. Bob told us there was no formal offer made — it was just an Internet offer," Diaz said.

Top Rank president Todd duBoef, echoed Diaz’s statements during an interview with Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports. During his conversation with Iole, duBoef said there "never was a Williams offer."

Iole did some digging and received two hard pieces of evidence from Dan Goossen. The first was a letter dated July 31, which Goossen sent to Arum. In the letter, Goossen offered Margarito "a minimum guarantee of $4 million against 50 percent of net revenues to Top Rank/Margarito."

The second piece of evidence was a letter dated August 4, rejecting Goossen’s offer. Arum tried to make a fight between Williams and Pavlik, but the two sides were never able to reach an agreement. More so than the experience from the Pavlik negotiations, Arum refused to do business with Williams’ advisor Al Haymon.

"Thank you for your letter of July 31, 2008 regarding Paul Williams. After the terrible experience I was subjected to by Paul Williams, his camp and advisor in connection with a (Kelly) Pavlik fight, I have absolutely no intention whatsoever to be involved in any fight with Mr. Williams. Accordingly, your proposal is in all respects rejected and I would request that you do no contact me again regarding Mr. Williams," Arum wrote in the letter.

As early as November, Top Rank was laying the groundwork for Margarito’s 2009 experience. A fight with Shane Mosley in January, a rematch with Miguel Cotto in June, and a possible third fight at the end of the year. Most were anticipating, or at least hoping, that Williams would become the year-end opponent for 09.

When Margarito stepped in the ring to fight Mosley, he was a 4-1 favorite to win. There were very few who gave Mosley a respectable shot to win the fight.

Williams thought Mosley would beat Margarito, but even he was surprised with the one-sided nature of the fight. Williams told BoxingScene.com that Margarito is done as a top fighter. Over the years, Margarito has been involved in a number of wars. Williams credits those wars as the contributing factors to Margarito’s physical decline against Mosley.

“I'm sure Margarito wishes he took that deal now. He would have still lost but at least he would have went to the bank. Instead he lost his title, his pride and $2 million dollars [Margarito made $2.3 for Mosley]. I thought Molsey would win. I though Mosley would win the first seven rounds and Margarito would come on late, but after I saw him taking all of those punches - I knew it was just a matter of time,” Williams said.

To be fair to Marg, it seems to be more due to Arum's dislike for Goossen than anything else.

Yeah, that's the thing that these simple minded people don't grasp. Margarito would've gotten a **** load more money to fight Williams than fighting Mosley. And I don't think this fight between Pavlik and Williams would've been made if Arum was involved in the negotiations. I know that Pavlik went along with the program and sacrificed a lot to make it happen, but that's something that you have to credit his managers Cameron Dunkin and Todd DeBouf for. Arum had nothing to do with these negotiations. And if he did, he would've kept Pavlik away from Williams even though we know that Pavlik isn't in the least scared of Williams like those guys at 147 were. The only guy in that division that expressed interest in fighting him was Clottey, but Arum put up jack **** where the money is concerned for that fight to happen.

[mathed]

Ask and you shall receive. Paul “The Punisher” Williams finally got his wish. On October 3, he makes his return to the middleweight division to challenge the number one fighter at the weight, WBC/WBO champion Kelly “The Ghost” Pavlik. The Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City will play host, and HBO will televise the action. [details]

Dunno bout this talk here. Pavlik has only been down in one fight, the one with Taylor and he got up from both of them to win by KO. Pavlik is tough as hell and packs a punch though Paul is a high pressure fighter so he could give Pavlik trouble. I think that Pavlik can ko Williams should he connect with a great right or two.