Team Paul Williams: “We Will Test Pavlik’s China Chin”

[Iceta]

Pac gets praised for beating Oscar and Hatton....after Floyd alreay beat them/

I know he does, and it's bull****.

[GRUSTLER]

From boxrec:

Unofficial scores

Harold Lederman, HBO: Williams, 116-112
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: Margarito, 116-112
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: Draw, 114-114
Steve Springer, Los Angeles Times: Draw, 114-114
Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: Margarito, 115-113
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: Margarito, 115-113
Doug Fischer, MaxBoxing.com: Margarito, 115-113
Jerry Magee, San Diego Union-Tribune: Williams, 116-112
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: Williams, 115-113
Carlos Arias, Orange County Register: Williams, 115-113
David Avila, Riverside Press Enterprise: Draw, 114-114
Francisco Salazar, Fight news.com: Draw, 114-114

4 scored it a draw, 4 scored it to Williams, 4 scored it to Margarito.

You're entitled to your opinion but the fact is, most boxing analysts disagree with you.

Who cares who disagrees with me because Bottom line Paul
Williams got an UNANIMOUS DECISION in Antonio Margarito's
back yard, not a split or a draw......... how close could it have
been considering Margarito had the home town advantage? I
watched that fight and NO WAY was it close in my eyes and I'm
not lying to myself.

[Burner]

Who cares who disagrees with me because Bottom line Paul
Williams got an UNANIMOUS DECISION in Antonio Margarito's
back yard, not a split or a draw......... how close could it have
been considering Margarito had the home town advantage? I
watched that fight and NO WAY was it close in my eyes and I'm
not lying to myself.

8 rounds to 4...........everytime.

[joseph5620]

[QUOTE=Dave Rado;5882263]Champ doesn't rate Paul nearly as highly as you or even I do, but he's entitled to his opinion. He's not a hater, and he doesn't have it in for anyone. He just tells it like he sees it. And in some respects his opinions on Williams are closer to those of most boxing analysts than yours are - you think that the Williams-Margarito fight was not close, but most boxing analysts disagree with you.

Well, I doubt many credible boxing anylist will say that Pavlik and Williams are equal in footwork and hand speed. Footwork is one of Pavlik's weaknesses that Hopkins exposed. Williams has shown that he can move well inside or out with angles. If you can't objectively call that I question the motives.

[GRUSTLER]

Not for beating them, for the manner in which he did it.

That's Bull**** and you know it. How can Pac get credit for the
manner he beat them in when he fought two lesser fighters than
Floyd did? Floyd fought a confident UNDEFEATED Hatton that was
coming off of a big win against a Floyd opponent that gave him
hell AND a De La Hoya at his comfortable weight of 154, with
the gloves and ring he wanted? Pac fought a mummy De La Hoya
and a not so sure Hatton with a bad training camp. Even Freddie
Roach said De La Hoya was done in the Pac fight and Hatton
was an easy win. That's a bias statement. No big deal, just
calling it how I see it.

[Dave Rado]

People blow that Abraham situation out of proportion too much. I'm a little bit disappointed in Pavlik for not fighting him. But what is the best win on Abraham's resume besides Miranda? And HBO never put up a solid money amount for both guys like they are doing with this fight. Pavlik wasn't scared of him, it's just that Abraham refused to fight good opponents. He is finally doing that with Jermaine Taylor. But when he was at 160, he should've tried to fight higher profile opponents than what he did to build more interest in the fight. And Pavlik should take some heat for that fight not happening, but people just make too much of a big deal out of it.

There were only two meaningful fights for Abraham at Middleweight: Pavlik and Sturm. He offered Sturm $3 million to fight him, which would have been a career high payday for Sturm, and Sturm turned it down. He tried to make a fight with Pavlik for over a year, and Arum killed it and claimed that fighting Diddy Doddy Duddy was a bigger fight for Pavlik than fighting Abraham, who was universally rated #2 at Middleweight at the time, which was just pathetic.

[joseph5620]

It has been brought up earlier in this thread that a lot of people turned their back on Kelly Pavlik after he suffered that loss to Hopkins, and there is some truth to that. I didn't necessarily turn my back on Pavlik after that loss, but I did lose some respect for him because of it. He viewed Hopkins as an easy mark for a nice chunk of change and it back fired on him. I know Pavlik's options were limited. And that match between Pavlik and Hopkins would've never happened if Williams would've accepted this fight when it was on the table last year. I don't know how much Williams is going to be getting paid compared to the offer last year, but he isn't going to get as much credit for the victory as he would have when Pavlik was on a high note.

I think he'll get credit. This is by far PW toughest opponent and biggest test. Pavlik has never lost at 160 and if PW beats him it will be huge for his career.

[BMWM3P]

a loss is a loss.


You dont get style points in boxings.

If Paul tries what he did in your gif against Pavlik he's goin to get his head knocked off by a Pavlik right.

[Dave Rado]

a loss is a loss.


You dont get style points in boxings.

You really think that when rating a fighter's ability, the manner in which they achieve their wins and how one-sided (or otherwise) they are is irrelevant? That a dominant win is no more impressive than a narrow one?

If so, you've just lost all credibility with me as a boxing fan.

[Dave Rado]

That's Bull**** and you know it. How can Pac get credit for the
manner he beat them in when he fought two lesser fighters than
Floyd did? Floyd fought a confident UNDEFEATED Hatton that was
coming off of a big win against a Floyd opponent that gave him
hell AND a De La Hoya at his comfortable weight of 154, with
the gloves and ring he wanted? Pac fought a mummy De La Hoya
and a not so sure Hatton with a bad training camp. Even Freddie
Roach said De La Hoya was done in the Pac fight and Hatton
was an easy win. That's a bias statement. No big deal, just
calling it how I see it.

That's is a biased post, Grustler. No big deal, just calling it how I see it. No point arguing about it though, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I agree that Floyd deserves a lot of credit for fighting DLH at his own weight class, though. And DLH was not the same fighter when he fought Pac. But it was still a superb performance by Pac.

But as for the Hatton fight, as far as I'm concerned, you're seeing things in an incredibly biased way. Hatton was coming off a great win. You predicted Hatton would beat Pac. They were fighting at Hatton's best weight class, a weight class in which Hatton was still unbeaten. And Pac destroyed him. Your unwillingness to give him proper respect for that performance makes you look terribly biased to me.