Pacquiao-Cotto Title Bout Rests on WBO's Section 15

[Dave Rado]

Was I wrong in assuming if both fighters came in right below the 141 mark it would be within the limits of a different division? Wouldn't they be fighting for Pacs JrWW title in this case.

I'm not challenging you- just trying to learn the specifics here.

If they both came in at 140, it would be within the limits of both divisions; but they should only be able to fight for one title or the other (to be determined in the negotiations), not both at once, because if the contract specified a maximum limit of 147, it wouldn't be a valid Jnr Welterweight fight even if they both weighed in at 140; whereas if the contract specified a maximum of 140, it wouldn't be a valid Welterweight title fight under the normal rules of boxing. So they would have to decide in advance which title should be on the line.

So, for example, when Henry Armstrong was already Welterweight champion, he fought world Lightweight champion Lou Ambers. That fight was for Ambers' Lightweight title, but they could have chosen to make it for Armstrong's Welterweight title instead. But both titles couldn't be on the line simultaneously. Armstrong wanted to make history, hence he chose to make the fight for the Lightweight title and not the Welterweight title, but he could have done either.

People have fought for titles in two divisions simultaneously before (Ray Leonard vs. Donnie Lalonde) but it was bull**** when it happened - and it happened with the agreement of both fighters.

[lcheezy]

i'm not dis*****g cottos warrior status i i definitely love boxing and the lineal championship is good too. i was talking about cottos health idiot.

[jhacen]

I remember that Sugar Ray and Donnie LaLonde fight...it was BS! That's where Sugar Ray got his 5th title (weight class), right? LaLonde was really drained!

If they both came in at 140, it would be within the limits of both divisions; but they should only be able to fight for one title or the other (to be determined in the negotiations), not both at once, because if the contract specified a maximum limit of 147, it wouldn't be a valid Jnr Welterweight fight even if they both weighed in at 140; whereas if the contract specified a maximum of 140, it wouldn't be a valid Welterweight title fight under the normal rules of boxing. So they would have to decide in advance which title should be on the line.

So, for example, when Henry Armstrong was already Welterweight champion, he fought world Lightweight champion Lou Ambers. That fight was for Ambers' Lightweight title, but they could have chosen to make it for Armstrong's Welterweight title instead. But both titles couldn't be on the line simultaneously. Armstrong wanted to make history, hence he chose to make the fight for the Lightweight title and not the Welterweight title, but he could have done either.

People have fought for titles in two divisions simultaneously before (Ray Leonard vs. Donnie Lalonde) but it was bull**** when it happened - and it happened with the agreement of both fighters.

[lcheezy]

hey dave rado clottey is no shane mosley,period. if cotto gets that kind of cut against mosley not only will he be brutally knocked out.its possible that he could lose his life. from all the wars and that cheating ass margacheat cotto is damaged. but he will spank little manny in 7.

[Dave Rado]

i'm not dis*****g cottos warrior status i i definitely love boxing and the lineal championship is good too. i was talking about cottos health idiot.

Every fighter risks his health in every fight. The true greats were the fighters who were willing to fight the best fighters in their weight division regardless of the risks, and who had the talent to back it up. Most people were worried about Ali's health vs. Foreman, but it was one of the fights of the century, Ali won, and it was one of the defining fights of his career. Ali vs. Holmes and Berbick were a different matter - but that was because Ali continued fighting too long. When Cotto has reached the stage that he can no longer afford to fight the best fighters because of the risks to his health, it will be time for him to retire. But I don't think he's anywhere near that. Clottey is a beast, yet a half-blind Cotto still managed to beat him narrowly. I think Cotto-Mosley II would be a very competitive pick 'em fight. And there's no need to throw insults at people.

[baracuda]

You can weigh lower than 145 and still fight for th WW title, but buy definition an interpretation o the rule what you CAN NOT do is limit the boxer to a maximum 145lbs. The rule is very clear it is UP TO 147 not UP TO 145. I dont understand why people can not understand this fact.

would you still call it catchweight if the limit is 147?......ok then!

[Dave Rado]

cotto is damaged.

How do you know he's damaged?

Clottey is no Mosley but he's still a very tough Welterweight who would give any Welterweight problems, including Mosley. To beat him while only being able to see out of one eye (which means he couldn't judge distance properly), is a tremendous achievement. Based on that performance, I don't see how anyone can make the judgement that he's damaged.

[jazluvr]

Naw...Cotto is battle-hardened from these recent wars, and those experiences I bet have given him more confidence than ever. Don't forget, he's still young. He's still in development and has yet to reach his full potential, imo. I think he's got a lot in him still and we've yet to see the best in him. Or should I say beast..

Mosley? yeah, he's still good, i think he'd woop Manny, but i don't think he'd fare as well against Cotto as he did in their 1st fight. He's getting older, he's had his day in the sun. Again, my opinion. People really gotta take that cut in the Clottey fight seriously. If he didn't get that cut, he would've done much, much better, maybe ko'ing Clottey. And he's got a nice solid chin.

[lcheezy]

again. if cotto gets that kind of cut against mosley.they will be waking him up. again it does'nt matter how tough clottey is and i question that anyway. he allowed cotto to pin him on the ropes with that kind of cut. how tough is that.shane will brutally knock him out

[Dave Rado]

again. if cotto gets that kind of cut against mosley.they will be waking him up. again it does'nt matter how tough clottey is and i question that anyway. he allowed cotto to pin him on the ropes with that kind of cut. how tough is that.shane will brutally knock him out

We'll see, if the fight happens, which I hope it does ...