Oscar de la What? He shouldn't be an ATG...

[pelonxsoldier28]

Yeah it was a big fight but we're talking legacy so it being a big fight isn't as important as the fact that Chavez was faded.

Second, Vargas wasn't a beast when Oscar fought him. Maybe he was when he fought Tito but that was the version Oscar refused to fight. I think you remember what happened to Vargas in the Tito. Then in his next fight remember he was almost KTFO by a washed up Wilfredo Rivera? Then remember in his next fight he was hurt by his sparring partner? So after all that, Oscar finally decides to fight him? A beast? Come on, man.

And Tito wanted to fight Quartey at welter. They had a deal in place for November 14th but Oscar swooped in with a better deal.

Now...am I lying?

chavez was way way past his prime, but you're wrong about vargas, he never looked or fought better in his career, remember vargas was on steroids and still got ktfo.

[oc9979]

I disagree completely.

He calcualted the rounds and listened to his ****** corner that told him to run the last few rounds.

That was still a major robbery.He won the fight clearly.

you win a fight round by round. just because you beat a person so bad for the first 6 rounds of the fight
doesnt mean that you won the fight. you still have to fight and win round in the other half

[bojangles1987]

This is what I am talking about! What the **** does PPV sales/draws have to do with being an ATG!!???

It shows the massive impact he had on the sport while fighting. No one else got asses in the seats and people in front of the TV like Oscar. Add to that all the accomplishments he has and that=ATG.

He beat Fernando Vargas, Arturo Gatti, Ike Quartey, was easily beating Trinidad until he ran like an idiot, Julio Cesar Chavez, Pernell Whitaker, Jesse James Leija, and fought everybody. Guys are considered all time greats for less.

[pelonxsoldier28]

you win a fight round by round. just because you beat a person so bad for the first 6 rounds of the fight
doesnt mean that you won the fight. you still have to fight and win round in the other half

i agree to a point, it was about the ninth round he started to run, but still tito did'nt do ****. that was the best schooling i've seen in boxing without a ko. there's no way for tito to justify that, but he does. but you should fight evry damn round, thats what us mexicans do, and thats why alot of us dislike de la hoya. deep down i think he's a puzzy

[D-Omonist]

It shows the massive impact he had on the sport while fighting. No one else got asses in the seats and people in front of the TV like Oscar. Add to that all the accomplishments he has and that=ATG.

He beat Fernando Vargas, Arturo Gatti, Ike Quartey, was easily beating Trinidad until he ran like an idiot, Julio Cesar Chavez, Pernell Whitaker, Jesse James Leija, and fought everybody. Guys are considered all time greats for less.

Good post man! I agree he did fight almost everyone.

[IMDAZED]

So that leaves out just about every ATG in the book that have beaten out of their prime great fighters. No one is an ATG by that logic.

Explain. What we're saying is that Chavez was well, well past his prime when he fought Oscar the first time. The second time he was finished.

The fight was important in any way you look at it, whether you like it or not.

We're talking legacy not how big the fight was.

Yes he was, he still came back and Knocked out 2 guys and win a belt. Mosley was the one that got the real damaged goods. Oscar had to fight Vargas cause he moved up to 154.

Did you even watch those two fights? Vargas was damaged goods. I repeat, he was dropped and out on his feet from Wilfredo Rivera. And then his sparring partner? Come on, bro. At that time Vargas wasn't the top fighter at 154 he just was gift-wrapped a title for beating his sparring partner.

That's too bad, in the end its the same. THEY NEVER FOUGHT.

You're right, they didn't. Like Oscar and Vernon - remember when he said he didn't want to fight him? How about Oscar and Winky? Not sure what your point is.

[IMDAZED]

chavez was way way past his prime, but you're wrong about vargas, he never looked or fought better in his career, remember vargas was on steroids and still got ktfo.

In his previous fight he had been rocked by his sparring partner. In the fight before that he was dropped hard and badly hurt by a faded Wilfredo Rivera. Vargas was at his best before he met Tito, when he was dominating Campas and warring with Quartey. He was simply never the same after that, steroids or not.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Did you even watch those two fights? Vargas was damaged goods. I repeat, he was dropped and out on his feet from Wilfredo Rivera. And then his sparring partner? Come on, bro. At that time Vargas wasn't the top fighter at 154 he just was gift-wrapped a title for beating his sparring partner.

Yes I did, lots of people I knew were big Vargas fans. I think today's version of Cotto is more done from the Margarito fight than Vargas with Tito.

You're right, they didn't. Like Oscar and Vernon - remember when he said he didn't want to fight him? How about Oscar and Winky? Not sure what your point is.

Vernon lost to Mayorga .

Winky had a bad style for him, so in a way I do think he probably ducked Winky. Besides, Winky doesn't seem to exciting with the way he fights.

[IMDAZED]

Yes I did, lots of people I knew were big Vargas fans. I think today's version of Cotto is more done from the Margarito fight than Vargas with Tito.

I respectfully disagree. Vargas never beat a top fighter in his division again. Cotto did that just a couple months ago. Yes, the beating Cotto took from Margarito was horrible but what happened to Vargas against Tito...ugh. Horrible reffing from Nady. That was too much to put on such a young fighter.

Vernon lost to Mayorga .

So? When he beat Mosley he was the obvious candidate to fight Oscar. Didn't happen.

Winky had a bad style for him, so in a way I do think he probably ducked Winky. Besides, Winky doesn't seem to exciting with the way he fights.

Really, I don't care. I never expected Oscar to fight Winky if he refused to fight Vargas when Vargas was on top.

[pelonxsoldier28]

In his previous fight he had been rocked by his sparring partner. In the fight before that he was dropped hard and badly hurt by a faded Wilfredo Rivera. Vargas was at his best before he met Tito, when he was dominating Campas and warring with Quartey. He was simply never the same after that, steroids or not.

oh i agree with just about everything you said bro, but i just watched the fight, vargas was a machine and almost took dlh out. this being with the steroids, was the same fighter that fought ike.