For those who thinks Manny fights Past Prime fighters...Come to school

[LilGizmo562]

when a fighter is washed up like most people are saying about the fighters mentioned...they tend to go on a losing streak and you can tell they just aint got it anymore. These fighters mentioned in the thread were not showing those signs until after Manny.

Forgot to mention Barrera, he beat him while he was not prime but not passed it, he was still a GREAT fighter, the 2nd fight was unnecessary, because Barrera was passed it by that time.

Back to your reply...

Morales was he went in to the 2nd Manny fight 1-2 and the 3rd 1-3 that isn't signs of slipping?...o.o and so was Larios he had just got TKO'd by Vazquez and he had to move up in fight...DLH barely, BARELY got by Forbes, if that isn't sign of slipping, I don't know what will convince you otherwise.

[shogunn]

lame.


Manny vs Casamayor and J Diaz, Manny beats them.

JMM vs ODLH, Hatton, JMM wont make it look as pretty, probably split decisions. I know for sure JMM couldnt take down Hatton in 2 rounds like Manny did.

Manny vs Hatton, ODLH, Boldamir, Manny makes it look more dominating.

[MANGLER]

Difference between bein past prime and bein shot. EM was finished in the 3rd fight, but it was still a big win for Pac cuz it sealed the trilogy 2-1 for him.

MAB showed when he felt like it he could be in it in the rematch, he just didn't have the heart to win. I wouldn't say he was altogether shot, just unwillin to press the action.

DLH was obviously past it, but hadn't looked shot in his last few sporadic fights as a part time fighter. He just came into the fight weak as hell from makin 147, but that was his goddamn fault for cherrypickin a LW instead of facin Marg. He was supposed to kill lil Pac.

Hatton wasn't shot either. He just looked like it cuz Pac blasted him so easily.

[LilGizmo562]

lame.


Manny vs Casamayor and J Diaz, Manny beats them.

JMM vs ODLH, Hatton, JMM wont make it look as pretty, probably split decisions. I know for sure JMM couldnt take down Hatton in 2 rounds like Manny did.

Manny vs Hatton, ODLH, Boldamir, Manny makes it look more dominating.

O.o Manny never fought Baldy and Roach wouldn't let it happen cause he will outweigh Manny over 20 pounds.

[PACBOY]

Not all the fighters pac has faced were in their prime. This holds true for all fighters. However, Pac's will be under a microscope because he is on top right now. Same held true for PBF & RJJ before him. All 3 will be appreciated more once theyre gone.

Maybe there is a fine line between Prime and Past Prime. But not one ,was Past his Prime...meaning shot. They sure were not losing fights.

[LilGizmo562]

Maybe there is a fine line between Prime and Past Prime. But not one ,was Past his Prime...meaning shot. They sure were not losing fights.

Yes they were, Morales, Larios were passed their primes...not shot (Morales was in the 3rd fight) but passed their primes...DLH was more weight drain then shot, but he too wasn't at his best.

[PACBOY]

Yes they were, Morales, Larios were passed their primes...not shot (Morales was in the 3rd fight) but passed their primes...DLH was more weight drain then shot, but he too wasn't at his best.

what makes you think that? I guess your definition of Prime maybe different than mine. But you aint shot until you cant win no more. Also not all fighters peak their Prime At the same time. And it dont mean just because you are young you are in your prime. Thats a misconception.
How do you see it?

[shadeyfizzle]

Forgot to mention Barrera, he beat him while he was not prime but not passed it, he was still a GREAT fighter, the 2nd fight was unnecessary, because Barrera was passed it by that time.

Back to your reply...

Morales was he went in to the 2nd Manny fight 1-2 and the 3rd 1-3 that isn't signs of slipping?...o.o and so was Larios he had just got TKO'd by Vazquez and he had to move up in fight...DLH barely, BARELY got by Forbes, if that isn't sign of slipping, I don't know what will convince you otherwise.

2nd Barrera fight was supposed to take place a year and a half earlier than it actually did for the 130lb wbc title. Just before the 2nd Barrera fight he had lost his title in controversial fashion to JMM where you could argue Barrera won the fight.

And as far as DLH goes....signs of age....YES. Signs of "slipping"?? Absolutely not. The DLH that fought both forbes and pacquiao was lazy, unmotivated and undertrained.

Forbes fight was supposed to be at 150. DLH came in at 152 anyway.

DLH fired Valero as a sparring partner for being an annoying southpaw that actually gave him a mouse under his eye.

People keep saying DLH was dehydrated this...zombie that for the Pacquiao fight but watch it again and you will see that DLH never gasses out at any point during the match. Even when Nachos pulls the plug in the corner you never see DLH breathing hard. He was actually in great shape cardiovascularly. Just never worked to the point during training camp where he could actually adapt to Pacquiao's speed and awkwardness.

[LilGizmo562]

what makes you think that? I guess your definition of Prime maybe different than mine. But you aint shot until you cant win no more. Also not all fighters peak their Prime At the same time. And it dont mean just because you are young you are in your prime. Thats a misconception.
How do you see it?

Maybe, because if you think Morales, Larios and DLH were prime when they fought Manny, then I honestly don't think you know what prime is, Morales went into the Manny fight coming off a lose to Barrera and he beat him, he went into the 2nd fight 1-2 and the 3rd 1-3. Larios just got KTFO by Vazquez and moved up in weight to fight him and lose. DLH went in more weight drain then anything but he was passed his prime, not shot, but passed his best days.

I never said being young=prime, prime example is Manny gets KTFO young and is KTFO of people now...Manny is in his prime now, because he is improving and showing his abilities very well. I see being passed your prime when you show signs of age, reflexes aren't what they used to and you get tired faster then before...all 3 Larios, Morales and DLH had those problems before stepping in the ring with Manny meaning they were past their best.

[shogunn]

No one can really know when their prime is. A prime fighter doesnt lose, when he does, he's automatically not primed. When Frazier lost to foreman he automatically lost his prime status, but he went in that fight after beating Ali. so its easy to assume his prime was beating Ali, and not losing to Foreman.

So to say Barrera wasnt primed when he lost to Manny is whatever. Barrera didnt lose in the past 3 years prior to fighting Manny and didnt lose until another 3 years after. Youre automatically discrediting Manny a legit and solid win just to diss him, which again happens alot on this board. Makes no sense to me..