For those who thinks Manny fights Past Prime fighters...Come to school

[PACBOY]

I know tater...I know. We will find a way. We'll find a way,

Im glad to see that you have no problem in showing everyone that you are a ignorant person. Saves me the trouble in doing for you. thanks man. I own you boy!

[LilGizmo562]

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Sorry buddy. Delahoya was throwing just as much if not more than Pacquiao for the first few rounds. It wasnt until the 6th round when Pacquiao turned it up a notch that the fight truly slipped away from Oscar. Only difference is that Oscar whiffed with pretty much everything.

Once again i agree DLH did show signs of aging with forbes but his loss to pacquiao cannot be attributed to weight drainage because he was actually in great shape. It cannot be attributed to age because Pacquiao never did anything really creative in the ring that night.

Jab, straight, turn
straight, straight, jab, turn
straight, jab, straight, turn

Oscar just had absolutely 0 defense against the straight left because he had horrible sparring partners that did absolutely nothing to help him prepare for it. The one guy that would have someone helped him...he fired.

I believe it was a little bit of both, him being tired and him having a poor camp, but regardless in being in great shape, you can still be weight drain, look at Manny when he got KO'd, another reason he was weight drained because he wasn't allowed to balloon up to 160 like most WWs do, because if he did.

1. Fight would be called off
2. 3mil per pound over 147

Because he wasn't able to rehydrate to a "comfortable" weight he wasn't able to throw as much (not only because he couldn't pull the trigger but because not being at the comfortable weight makes you throw less or in this case not hard shots) causing him to be weight drained.

[LilGizmo562]

I do take that in consideration but then what? You have to remember Barrera didnt lose 3 years before losing to Manny, and 3 Years after. Im not going to hold that against Manny for the only person to beat Barrera in a 6 year timeframe.

At this point, youre holding Manny to incredibly high standards for not beating someone in their super prime, but when was he given the opportunity? He wouldve had to beat someone undefeated who has never lost a round and no such fighter existed at his time. Someone who is close is Mayweather, but he's been off for 2 years and he's cherrypicking a lightweight.

I know, but is anyone he fought in that time frame the same calibur fighter at Manny or Morales? Don't think so, so once he faced a good fighter in Manny he lost. Regardless if he was or was not past his prime I have said before it was still a legit win.

I do hold Manny in high standards as does everyone else because he is P4P king and unlike Mayweather fights guys that he would not fight (Mayweather) I'm not saying Manny is cherry picking or fighting past prime fighters now, I am just saying Morales, DLH were past it, Diaz wasn't, neither was Hatton nor Cotto, just saying he should keep up fighter prime fighters.

[shogunn]

I believe it was a little bit of both, him being tired and him having a poor camp, but regardless in being in great shape, you can still be weight drain, look at Manny when he got KO'd, another reason he was weight drained because he wasn't allowed to balloon up to 160 like most WWs do, because if he did.

1. Fight would be called off
2. 3mil per pound over 147

Because he wasn't able to rehydrate to a "comfortable" weight he wasn't able to throw as much (not only because he couldn't pull the trigger but because not being at the comfortable weight makes you throw less or in this case not hard shots) causing him to be weight drained.

ODLH was allowed to rehydrate, but whatever the reason was he didnt. They said it was the kangaroo meat, or he wanted to stay slim so he can keep up with Mannys speed. But it's a myth that he wasnt allowed to rehydrate. Its just that he didnt. He was also 147 at least 3 weeks before the fight as 24/7 showed, thus he didnt drain or starve himself for the fight night.

I watched Mayweather vs ODLH recently, and ODLH was gassed by the 6th round. If ODLH was truly drained vs Manny, he wouldve been KO'd.

[shogunn]

I know, but is anyone he fought in that time frame the same calibur fighter at Manny or Morales? Don't think so, so once he faced a good fighter in Manny he lost. Regardless if he was or was not past his prime I have said before it was still a legit win.

I do hold Manny in high standards as does everyone else because he is P4P king and unlike Mayweather fights guys that he would not fight (Mayweather) I'm not saying Manny is cherry picking or fighting past prime fighters now, I am just saying Morales, DLH were past it, Diaz wasn't, neither was Hatton nor Cotto, just saying he should keep up fighter prime fighters.

like?? taking on bigger fighters like Cotto is alot more dangerous than fighting anyone at his own class at 140, and there's no big money at 140. Cotto is one of the toughest fighters out there for him, and that shouldnt be overlooked.

[LilGizmo562]

like?? taking on bigger fighters like Cotto is alot more dangerous than fighting anyone at his own class at 140, and there's no big money at 140. Cotto is one of the toughest fighters out there for him, and that shouldnt be overlooked.

I'm saying he had just fought a prime Hatton at 140 and is fighting a prime Cotto, he should keep it up, that is all I said.

[LilGizmo562]

ODLH was allowed to rehydrate, but whatever the reason was he didnt. They said it was the kangaroo meat, or he wanted to stay slim so he can keep up with Mannys speed. But it's a myth that he wasnt allowed to rehydrate. Its just that he didnt. He was also 147 at least 3 weeks before the fight as 24/7 showed, thus he didnt drain or starve himself for the fight night.

I watched Mayweather vs ODLH recently, and ODLH was gassed by the 6th round. If ODLH was truly drained vs Manny, he wouldve been KO'd.

No he was not, look at the coverage they had here, Roach wanted DLH to pay 1 million for every pound DLH came in overweight, Manny's lawyer said it should be 3 million since 1 is chump change for DLH, then Arum put in the contract that DLH would have to weight the same on fight night or he will pay and or have the fight called off and as for the Mayweather fight, it was at 154 with him re hydrating to 160+ he gassed because he was passed his prime and the only thing that saved DLH was his chin and nothing more.

[shadeyfizzle]

No he was not, look at the coverage they had here, Roach wanted DLH to pay 1 million for every pound DLH came in overweight, Manny's lawyer said it should be 3 million since 1 is chump change for DLH, then Arum put in the contract that DLH would have to weight the same on fight night or he will pay and or have the fight called off and as for the Mayweather fight, it was at 154 with him re hydrating to 160+ he gassed because he was passed his prime and the only thing that saved DLH was his chin and nothing more.

Um...no....that fine was only for the official weigh-in. It was deemed illegal to enforce fines on an "unofficial" weigh-in.

[Titing Kabayo]

All fighters fighting past prime.. period.. I'm tired of all of these bull****s here..

Why all of these excuses haven't mentione prior to each fight? Why can't you just watch and enjoy boxing?

I can smell excuse before Cotto-pacquio..

If Cotto win - pac is tool small and overrated
If pac wins, Cotto is a damaged good and past prime...

So what are we gonna do to enjoy boxing without making excuses?

There's a lot of hating going around here...

[LilGizmo562]

Um...no....that fine was only for the official weigh-in. It was deemed illegal to enforce fines on an "unofficial" weigh-in.

I remember reading though that if he outweighed Manny the fight was going to be called off, that is true, so DLH didn't want to lose his money.