Paul Williams Stills Aiming To Land Sergei Dzinziruk

[Burner]

Except he's been shown up as a total bull****ter because one of them is not too scared to fight him, and he backtracked.

The one who means the least..and the one who hell beat the easiest.

Please tell me you dont think Clottyey beats Williams.

[Burner]

I wasn't talking about Floyd there, I was talking about the Floyd stans who constantly say that Floyd shouldn't fight a given fighter "because he doesn't bring **** to the table". They constantly say he shouldn't fight any of the top fighters in his division because none of them "bring **** to the table". That's what Floyd stans are notorious for doing, to an extent that doesn't apply to the fans of any other fighter. That's why they are so unpopular on these forums. And that's what Burner ATG was doing, except he was using the same crappy argument to nuthug Williams instead of Floyd. Hence I compared him to a Floyd stan.

Clottey means **** to Williams legacy....period.

[Dave Rado]

The one who means the least..and the one who hell beat the easiest.

Please tell me you dont think Clottyey beats Williams.

How many times do I have to repeat the same point before you understand it? This is so boring.

He won't ever get the fights with the top 2 Welterweights if he is unwilling to fight the clear #3. If he beats Clottey, there will be massive pressure from HBO for Mosley, Cotto or Mayweather to fight him. If he doesn't fight Clottey, there will never again be any pressure on any of them to fight him. So if he is serious about fighting Mosley, Cotto or Mayweather, he needs to fight Clottey.

[Iceta]

You're still completely missing the point. He won't get ever those fights if he doesn't fight Clottey. He might if he does.



Mosley said he isn't interested so he's wasting his energy if he's trying to get that fight. If he beat Clottey there would be really strong pressure on Mosley to fight him. There is absolutely zero pressure on Mosley to fight him now.



If you're not willing to fight the third best in the division you say you want to fight in, then you'll never be taken seriously as a possible opponent for the best two.

If Haye doesn't manage to get a fight with Vitali in September do you think he should refuse to fight anyone not named Klitschko on the basis that they're not the best?

He's already done what you're talking about in beating even more highly regarded opponents in Margarito and Wright, and positioned himself as a big threat to the division. So how is beating Clottey going to be different? And at the start of your post you say he might get a fight with one of these guys if he beats Clottey. There isn't any might about it. He won't. A fight between Cotto and Williams would've left one man standing where division clarity is concerned, and Arum made no attempt to make that fight and Cotto went on to get a questionable decision over Mosley and get beat down by Paul's leftovers. Williams took care of business in devastating fashion against Quintana in the rematch, so that shouldn't be in the equation. What more does a guy need to do than beat a fighter who holds two convincing victories over Mosley who is considered the best fighter in the division?

[Dave Rado]

He's already done what you're talking about in beating even more highly regarded opponents in Margarito and Wright,

Rubbish - Wright was at 160, which reduced his credibility as a Welterweight, it didn't increase it. And Marg was two years ago, he can't live off that forever. He hasn't fought at Welterweight for over a year, and he won't be taken seriously by Mosley, Cotto or Mayweather unless he proves he can still cut it at Welterweight by beating a contender like Clottey.

[Burner]

He's already done what you're talking about in beating even more highly regarded opponents in Margarito and Wright, and positioned himself as a big threat to the division. So how is beating Clottey going to be different? And at the start of your post you say he might get a fight with one of these guys if he beats Clottey. There isn't any might about it. He won't. A fight between Cotto and Williams would've left one man standing where division clarity is concerned, and Arum made no attempt to make that fight and Cotto went on to get a questionable decision over Mosley and get beat down by Paul's leftovers. Williams took care of business in devastating fashion against Quintana in the rematch, so that shouldn't be in the equation. What more does a guy need to do than beat a fighter who holds two convincing victories over Mosley who is considered the best fighter in the division?

Wow great post.

Williams whooping Clottey would make Mosley and Cotto less wanting of a fight...lol.

[Iceta]

How many times do I have to repeat the same point before you understand it? This is so boring.

He won't ever get the fights with the top 2 Welterweights if he is unwilling to fight the clear #3. If he beats Clottey, there will be massive pressure from HBO for Mosley, Cotto or Mayweather to fight him. If he doesn't fight Clottey, there will never again be any pressure on any of them to fight him. So if he is serious about fighting Mosley, Cotto or Mayweather, he needs to fight Clottey.

I suppose what you're saying could hold some truth to it given the fact that HBO is starting to get a lot more strict about not giving fighters a pass for ducking top opponents. The network may have to force Cotto and Mosley to fight Paul Williams if he were to beat Clottey. Back then when he was at 147, HBO was a lot less tough with the competitive fight policy. So maybe what you are saying is true. But Williams will dominate Clottey if the fight happens.

[Burner]

Rubbish - Wright was at 160, which reduced his credibility as a Welterweight, it didn't increase it. And Marg was two years ago, he can't live off that forever. He hasn't fought at Welterweight for over a year, and he won't be taken seriously by Mosley, Cotto or Mayweather unless he proves he can still cut it at Welterweight by beating a contender like Clottey.

Mayweather...Cotto and Mosley would never fight Paul....hes the worst matchup for all 3..CAREER SUICIDE.

Cotto and Mosley couldve been fought Paul....

MOSLEY CLEARLY SAID HES NEVER FIGHTING HIM BECAUSE THEIR STYLES DPONT MATCHUP.

Your thoughts?

[Dave Rado]

Mayweather...Cotto and Mosley would never fight Paul....hes the worst matchup for all 3..CAREER SUICIDE.

Cotto and Mosley couldve been fought Paul....

MOSLEY CLEARLY SAID HES NEVER FIGHTING HIM BECAUSE THEIR STYLES DPONT MATCHUP.

Your thoughts?

Mosley was under absolutely no pressure to fight Williams when he said that, and that hasn't changed. HBO wasn't demanding it. No one had offered him big money to make the fight. Many people don't even think Williams is capable of fighting at 147 any more. If Williams beat Clottey decisively, HBO would demand that the fight be made, big money would be on offer, and it would be impossible to use the excuse that Williams is no longer a Welterweight. It would be a completely different scenario.

[Burner]

Mosley was under absolutely no pressure to fight Williams when he said that, and that hasn't changed. HBO wasn't demanding it. No one had offered him big money to make the fight. Many people don't even think Williams is capable of fighting at 147 any more. If Williams beat Clottey decisively, HBO would demand that the fight be made, big money would be on offer, and it would be impossible to use the excuse that Williams is no longer a Welterweight. It would be a completely different scenario.

So what your saying is that Paul should fight Clottey because you THINK HBO will force Shane or Cotto to fight him.....rather then Williams fighting a 154 lb Titlist..and owning that divison where hell be the top dog and wont have to worry about getting fights or people ducking him.

If the WW's wanted to fight him they could have after he ****d Tony and avenged his only loss by 1st round KO but they didnt.