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And Goosen went on record a few days ago and said he'd be willing to pay Shane Mosley $3 million to fight Paul Williams. It probably isn't unrealistic if they threw the fight in Southern Cali with Arreola on the undercard against a credible Heavy.
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He'll own the WBO title, but Dzinziruk is ranked #7 by The Ring in the division, so he wouldn't own the division; and the other Jnr Middleweight titlists could duck him just as easily as the Welters did. But you're still completely missing the point, which is getting very frustrating. He says he want to fight at Welter, not at any higher weight. He says that he's only fighting at higher weights until he can get a fight with a top Welter. He says that all the top Welters are too scared to fight him. One of the top 3 Welters has recently proved him wrong by calling him out. He will look like a very dishonest bull****ter if he turns that fight down.
They had absolutely no reason to fight him then and were under absolutely no pressure to make the fight. Both Clottey and Williams are far bigger names now than they were then, and if Williams beat Clottey, HBO would put all the other top Welters under a lot of pressure to fight Williams, and would put up a lot of money to make the fight, which they didn't do before. How many times do I have to repeat the same points before you take them on board? You don't necessarily have to agree, but you're simply ignoring them and forcing me to repeat myself, which is very frustrating. I agree there's no guarantee they'd fight him even then, but they would be under huge pressure to do so, and would be well rewarded financially, whereas they would be under no pressure to do so if he turns down Clottey. And he says he wants to fight at Welterweight, and if he's not bull****ting about that, then Clottey makes much more sense than Dzinziruk at this stage.
If he had said he wanted to fight Dzinziruk first and Clottey next, that would be different, but for Goossen to say on his behalf that Clottey doesn't deserve to fight him, when many people think Clottey deserved to get the decision against Cotto, and when he is ranked #3 at the weight, and when he has been saying that all the top Welters are too scared to fight him, just makes him look ridiculous.Last edited by Dave Rado; 07-05-2009, 09:30 PM.Comment
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Clottey is not a big name, and he is not a top 3 WW, the fight makes no sense for him. He called Cotto out, Cotto refused then fought a bum(jennings) for the vacant belt after Williams dropped it. Whether you want to admit it or not top WWs don't want it with Williams. Clottey does because he has nothing to lose. Arum previously said he would not do any business with Williams and his promoters after they didn't want the Williams vs Pavlik fight. Now because he knows that Williams would rather take another fight ranther than the non-cents Clottey fight they'll try to use that as a marketing ploy, that's some cornball ****......Comment
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He's a far bigger name now than he was before he came within a whisker of beating Cotto in front of a large TV audience.
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When Williams said that he would be willing to return to 147 for a top opponent, he meant Cotto, Mosley, Mayweather, and Margarito (before he got his ass kicked by Shane and busted with plaster). I don't think that those guys are the be all end all of Paul's career. How is Pavlik going to get back on HBO without fighting Paul Williams? HBO is messing up the Sturm fight. I actually think Williams should just go after Pavlik. And if Arum tries any bull**** to stop the fight, then we know that he's scared of him. Clottey is a Top Rank fighter just like Pavlik is. I know that Pavlik and Williams were both in negotiations to fight earlier, and they both are at fault for the fight not happening. But Pavlik needs Williams more than Williams needs him believe it or not. Pavlik is the one struggling to get back on HBO. Not Paul Williams.Last edited by Iceta; 07-05-2009, 09:33 PM.Comment
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I would have to agree with that. If Paul destroys Clottey, Mosley and
Cotto would no doubt stay away from Paul. I hear Dave when he says
that IF Paul was to fight and beat Clottey to become a ranked fighter at
147, it could put some pressure on the other top 2 to fight him but that
is just wishful thinking. I think if Williams fought and beat Clottey, he
would have to move up again anyway because no other Welter would
fight him. Williams would do better to stay at the higher divisions,
make his own name and set the stage to be able to call the shots for
himself and have guys like Mosley and Cotto wanting to move up
to fight him or call him down because Williams is the $ star. Mosley
is not pressuring himself to fight anyone except Pacquiao or Floyd.Comment
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Just because he almost beat Cotto, he is not a big name. Just about everyone came away from that fight think Cotto just isn't as good as either he was or people might of thought. Clottey doesn't have a belt no fan base, all he has is the hope he can land a fight with someone of consequence.Comment
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From a progressive business outlook of the whole situation,
Sergei Dzinziruk is a much better fight if Williams is looking
to establish himself in one division. Williams just came off
of a devastating beat down on Wright and then to go and
beat an undefeated fighter with a title in a whole other
division is a great look. Clottey would be good for HBO
and bragging rights if Paul was to totally dismantle Clottey
(Which I believe he would) where Baldomir/Margarito/Cotto
couldn't. Paul Williams would be a nightmare for Miguel Cotto
the way Cotto gets hit. I don't think Cotto would make it to
the 12. Mosley probably would but he would get beat up too.
That's not the topic at the moment though. Lets see what
happens before we jump the gun and give out the ducking
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