Pacquiao-Cotto Being Pushed By WBO as Title Bout

[boricuarn]

145 pounds or 147 pounds Cotto will KO Pacquiao. Please, do not make like Pacquiao is beating the best in every weight, he is not. He will go down in 6.

[Jone2ts]

I guess they must be fighting at 147 since the WBO wants the title involved. LMAO.

[Pullcounter]

If he happens to weigh that much in the weigh in then its different than being told to be @ that weight which is that he is going to be more careful about the weight and not go UNDER that and risk of bein too dehydrated and also he will lose more focus on the training because he will have to watch his weight more. Thats why Roach plays the game.

cotto officially weighed 146 lbs against clottey. so are you saying cotto at 146 lbs cotto is king kong, but at 145 lbs cotto is garbage???

CO-SIGN!!!!! Roach is a scumbag who cannot have his fighter fight an elite fighter, whitout trying to push the limits. Pac is already getting the better share of the profit, though Cotto's title is at stake here. Why should he keep accomodating Pac-***?!?!?!?!?!?!

cotto officially weighed 146 lbs against clottey. so are you saying 1 lbs will be the deciding factor for why cotto loses or wins???

It's a shame Roach is doing that though, because as others have said, there will always be an asterisk in many people's minds because of the fact that it was at catchweight; and legacy-wise, Pac would get much more credit, if he wins, if no catchweight had been specified. And I think Pac would have had a very good chance of being competitive if the fight was at 147, and might even be able to win, so to me, by insisting on a catchweight, Roach has done Pac a great disservice, legacy-wise.

cotto officially weighed 146 lbs against clottey. so 1 lbs will be the reason why cotto loses (should he lose)????

yep...before i'd have cotto as the "heavy" favorite.....now, i'd have the fight close to even...cotto's only advantage in this fight would be his size.

at 147, i'd give pacman a great chance to win, but i can't blame roach for looking to get every advantage he can for his fighter......

fight being held at 145, AND for the belt, is a sham though.

did you know that WW is anything between 147 lbs and 141 lbs? that means the title is on the line depending on whether negotiations for it go through.

this is bull ****!!! if manny pac wants to fight for the wealter weight title then fight at wealter weight!!!! this is bull **** and manny pac needs to step up to the plate or step off all he wants is weight drained fighters!!! and the credit too??? this is why boxing is going down the toilet!!!

uh... welterweight is anything between 141-147 lbs. are you a fan of boxing, or a fan or puerto rican boxers? there is a difference.

I agree 100%. Though this is a great fight for boxing, the fans, both fighters' wallets, etc..., there is no reason whatsoever that this should be for any welterweight title if the fight is not at the welterweight limit. Mayweather won the title from De La Hoya at 154, not 150. This fight should go on as planned but NOT as a title fight or there should be a HUGE asterisk. You can't have it both ways, Manny/Freddie.

uh... welterweight is anything between 141-147 lbs. so the belt can be on the line pending negotiations.

If the fight is for the WW, then have to be at 147 lbs limits stipulated by boxing organization, otherwise if a fight is at 145 lbs should be no WW championship bout.

uh... welterweight is anything between 141-147 lbs. so it is a WW championship bout

[Thread Stealer]

If the fight is for the WW, then have to be at 147 lbs limits stipulated by boxing organization, otherwise if a fight is at 145 lbs should be no WW championship bout.

No it doesn't.

Title fights have been at catchweights.

Hopkins-De La Hoya was for 4 middleweight titles and the contracted weight was 158.

Leonard-Hearns 2 was for the super middleweight title and the contracted weight was 163.

Leonard-Lalonde was for both the super middleweight title and light heavyweight title and the contracted weight was 168.

Whitaker-Chavez was for the WBC welterweight title and fought at a catchweight of 145.

This is only recent history, there's been some of these in the first half of the 20th century as well.

[Gabilan]

No it doesn't.

Title fights have been at catchweights.

Hopkins-De La Hoya was for 4 middleweight titles and the contracted weight was 158.

Leonard-Hearns 2 was for the super middleweight title and the contracted weight was 163.

Leonard-Lalonde was for both the super middleweight title and light heavyweight title and the contracted weight was 168.

Whitaker-Chavez was for the WBC welterweight title and fought at a catchweight of 145.

This is only recent history, there's been some of these in the first half of the 20th century as well.

Co-sign. Great job of posting information that backs up your argument. Anybody care to respond WITH FACTS? I understand people's anger at Roach's attempts to drain Cotto but I see no problem at all with him fighting at 145. Its a WW fight. Period. And so the belt should be at stake. Personally I see Cotto winning late.

[sangresabia]

This should be for the IBF belt too.

That would be too much sense to be made by the IBF.

[sangresabia]

cotto officially weighed 146 lbs against clottey. so are you saying cotto at 146 lbs cotto is king kong, but at 145 lbs cotto is garbage???


cotto officially weighed 146 lbs against clottey. so are you saying 1 lbs will be the deciding factor for why cotto loses or wins???


cotto officially weighed 146 lbs against clottey. so 1 lbs will be the reason why cotto loses (should he lose)????


did you know that WW is anything between 147 lbs and 141 lbs? that means the title is on the line depending on whether negotiations for it go through.


uh... welterweight is anything between 141-147 lbs. are you a fan of boxing, or a fan or puerto rican boxers? there is a difference.


uh... welterweight is anything between 141-147 lbs. so the belt can be on the line pending negotiations.



uh... welterweight is anything between 141-147 lbs. so it is a WW championship bout

A simple "welterweight is 141 to 147" would've sufficed. That's a lot of copying and pasting and repetition just so you can feel smarter than the 25,000 idiots quoted.

[sangresabia]

Co-sign. Great job of posting information that backs up your argument. Anybody care to respond WITH FACTS? I understand people's anger at Roach's attempts to drain Cotto but I see no problem at all with him fighting at 145. Its a WW fight. Period. And so the belt should be at stake. Personally I see Cotto winning late.

Putting some thought into it would be too much for some people. A 145-pound Cotto is not weight drained when he just made 146 2 weeks ago.

The belt will be at stake, Manny will make more and Cotto will win. Everybody's happy!

[whirlwind]

Why some ****** fans cant understand that Pac is not a WW. His lone fight at WW he weighed in 142 while the weight limit was 147. Its a big 5 lbs difference there why Pac did not weighed 147 in that fight? Its because he is not a natural WW, he is a lightweight. If he weigh in 147 in that Oscar fight it wont help him but he will just carrying a 5 lbs extra baggage on his back. Thats the weight division are what for, so that a naturally bigger guy like Hopskin cant fight the smaller fighter like Cotto. You know why? They will kill them!

About the catchweight there many great fights involving great fighters happened in catchweight so its happening all the time. So fans if you remember Roach said the fight should be at 142-143 then Cotto said 145 or no fight. Then what are you bitching about when Cotto agreed the fight should take place at 145? Are you scared because of this 1 lb difference Cotto will lost? This is his biggest payday he will recieved on his boxing career. If he scared with the 1 lb difference he can fight Clottey, Mosley again or others WW's like Williams for a peanuts that he may lost this time around and the biggest payday in his lifetime by fighting Pac is gone. By agreeing on 145 just 1 lb below on his last fight and 5 more months to go to take another 1 lb safely while he knows that he will outweigh Pac at least by 10 lbs or more. So Cotto is a smarter than his certain fans here.

[Dave Rado]

cotto officially weighed 146 lbs against clottey. so 1 lbs will be the reason why cotto loses (should he lose)????

Roach clearly thinks it may be, otherwise he would have no possible reason to ask for a catchweight, especially given that it is not in Pac's interests legacy-wise. If you think Roach is wrong (and I think he may well be), then I wish you could persuade Roach of that, so that the fight can be made without a catchweight.

uh... welterweight is anything between 141-147 lbs. so it is a WW championship bout

No, there is no minimum weight. Henry Armstrong weighed 133lb when he won the Welterweight title. The only stipulation is that fighters can weight anything they like up to a maximum of 147lb. By stipulating a different maximum weight, it becomes a catchweight fight. Roach has acknowledged this, as he has referred to it as a catchweight fight.

This isn't about whether it's a good fight at 145, because Cotto thinks he can make that weight without being weight drained, so purely as a fight, it's fine by me; and nor is about whether Pac deserves credit if he wins, for the same reason. It's purely about whether it's right that catchweight fights should be for titles. To me that's bull****. To me, if you believe you're the best fighter in the world in a weight class (which is what you're claiming when you call yourself a world champion), you wouldn't need to or even want to specify unusual maximum weights. To call yourself the world champion in that situation is wrong, IMO.

And I realise it's happened several times in the past, such as De La Hoya-Hopkins and Whittaker-Chavez but I think it was just as wrong those times as well. The fact that bad things have happened in the past doesn't make it right for them to happen again.