Will you give Manny full credit if he beats Cotto @ 145 for the ww belt?

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  • THE REED
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    #61
    Originally posted by ИATAS206
    Oh so now reed is the mature one?? The bottom part was sarcastic, the first paragraph is all valid points.
    Am I not? Did I resort to childish sarcastic comments anywhere in any post?

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    • THE REED
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      #62
      Originally posted by ИATAS206
      He should if he wants to extend his career and not gas in the later rounds. There is a reason Hopkins is as good as he is at 44 years of age and for the most part, never gassed in a fight of his career (with exception to maybe calzaghe).
      MAYBE Calzaghe?

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      • Heru
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        #63
        Originally posted by S a m u r a i
        What if Pacquiao made Cotto look sluggish and lethargic, like he manages to do with plenty of fighters?

        There will be excuses if Pacquiao wins, even at 147 he'd be accused of beating "Miguel Shotto" (there ya go, I invented a new one just for the occasion) or "was never the same after Margarito". You can guarantee it.
        Pacquiao can make Cotto look hesitant and befuddled, but he's not gonna make him look sluggish and lethargic.

        Of course, pretty much everyone will look slow in comparison to Pacquiao, but it's not in comparison to him, it's them. Neither Diaz or Hatton looked sluggish or lethargic in their Pacquiao fights.

        Diaz looked extremely slow, but he's always slow and he had some snap on his punches early when he actually got off. Margarito is very slow too, but you could tell he was a bit weight drained against Mosley (don't get butt hurt Mosley fans, I'm not trying to discredit the win).

        "Miguel Shotto" is a good one.

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          #64
          I love you Natas

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          • THE REED
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            #65
            Can I ask one more thing...

            If 145lbs wont effect Cotto at all....


            Why are they making him fight at 145lbs?

            Why not LET the WW champion fight at WW... and if YOU decide you want to be LIGHTER... well then go ahead.

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            • K-Nan
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              #66
              Originally posted by reedickyaluss
              Right because Cotto will just stay 146lbs in between fights.
              So the issue is whether or not Cotto can get back down to 146? Because that is another issue and has nothing to do with the contracted weight.

              You can't blame Pacquiao for Miguel Cotto's training habits. And if he made 146 before, the argument that he'll lose because he has to make 145 this time.. well, thats just straight up not argument.

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                #67
                Originally posted by reedickyaluss
                Can I ask one more thing...

                If 145lbs wont effect Cotto at all....


                Why are they making him fight at 145lbs?

                Why not LET the WW champion fight at WW... and if YOU decide you want to be LIGHTER... well then go ahead.
                thats catchweight manny for you

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                • K-Nan
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by reedickyaluss
                  Can I ask one more thing...

                  If 145lbs wont effect Cotto at all....


                  Why are they making him fight at 145lbs?

                  Why not LET the WW champion fight at WW... and if YOU decide you want to be LIGHTER... well then go ahead.
                  It won't effect his performance because the extra pound isn't too dramatic. But any leverage they can get which limits Cotto's weight on the night of the fight is an advantage. They want to limit him from having too much weight behind his punches.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by K-Nan
                    So the issue is whether or not Cotto can get back down to 146? Because that is another issue and has nothing to do with the contracted weight.

                    You can't blame Pacquiao for Miguel Cotto's training habits. And if he made 146 before, the argument that he'll lose because he has to make 145 this time.. well, thats just straight up not argument.
                    And if he can make 145... he can make 144... and if he can make 144 then why not 143?

                    No one blaming Pacman for Cottos training habits.

                    To say that FURTHER weight drain will not effect Cotto WHATSOEVER cant possibly be accurate...

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                    • ИATAS
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by reedickyaluss
                      Can I ask one more thing...

                      If 145lbs wont effect Cotto at all....


                      Why are they making him fight at 145lbs?

                      Why not LET the WW champion fight at WW... and if YOU decide you want to be LIGHTER... well then go ahead.
                      Personally, I don't care if it's at 147.

                      I think it's a matter of principle more then anything being that pac is at 140 and cotto is at 147, it's a way of negotiating and meeting in the middle so to speak because they know Cotto will weigh around 160 pounds regardless if it's at 145 or 147.

                      Personally I think the issue of a couple pounds is made way bigger of a deal on this site then it really matters. Time and time again the weight issue has been disproved and yet still people bring it up.

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