Wheres the hate for Cotto vs. Pac???.....Double standards huh?.

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  • HeartAttack
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    #51
    I make it a point to stay out of Mayweather threads, but I'll make an exception. As long as Mayweather plays the heel he will be criticized to a greater degree. However, it would be irresponsible to almost ignorant not to see why Floyd would get more grief for fighting Juan Manuel Marquez, then Miguel Cotto fighting Manny Pacquiao.

    1) Manny is the 140lb champion, moving up to face arguably the best 147lb fighter. Manny has fought above 135 his last two fights.

    2) Whether you want to believe that De La Hoya and Hatton were shot or not (Mayweather and Pacquiao's last two opponents) Manny was far more impressive in victory (TKO8,KO2) then Mayweather was (SD12-was trully a UD,TKO10).

    3) Cotto has fought at the Welterweight limit in his last 8 fights, going 7-1, with the lone loss being against Antonio Margarito, who has tainted his impressive victory by cheating in a subsequent bout (I will argue that he lost to Clottey last weekend). 6 of those 8 opponents were against top 10 Welterweights and 3 against top 3 Welterweights. Now he will be facing the current light welterweight champion.

    4) As for Floyd, he retired as the Welterweight champion, with one defense against the light welterweight champion (this fight was historic, as both men were undefeated) he gets full respect for that and for taking on De La Hoya. However, there were several big fights still to be made at welterweight with several fighters that many thought could defeat or at the least challenge Mayweather. Yet he chose to retire (really postpone) and that left a bitter taste in in the mouths of the masses.

    5) Floyd whether is detractors like it or not, is the most visible fighter in America, dwarfed by Pacquiao on a world level, but the money comes from either Germany, Russia, or the states. Floyd is a very intelligent man and his entire existence outside of the ring is entertaining. With that said, Floyd goes on ESPN and acts a fool in another interview with Brian Kenny. When Floyd was actually making a vaild argument, he clapped his way through it...what the hell.

    6) Juan Manuel Marquez has done more than given Pacquiao fits, it can be argued that he is trully 0-2 against JMM, with the second fight being a hotly disputed decision and the draw a bit more on point. But, Marquez is the 135lb champion and is moving up 12 pounds to fight a man who hasn't fought a welterweight contender since he won the crown against Baldomir 2 1/2 years ago. Thats the complaint, that the former Welterweight kingpin come back and rightfully claim the top spot in the hottest division and his home division


    Cotto has some unfinished business at welterweight, first and foremost against Mayweather himself. A rematch with Clottey is more than warranted, and Berto is on the edge of credibilty. Manny however, doesn't have anything pressing going on at 140. Timothy Bradley is clearly his number 1 contender, but he has a very good fight coming up with Nate Campbell, and the winner of that should be Manny's first fight defense of his 140lb title next year. But I doubt it.
    Marquez has a lot to do yet at 135lb. Valero looms large, as does Katsidis, Funeka, and Khan when he comes back down. So Marquez taking this fight isn't something I agree with on those terms, but he isn't getting enough attention for moving up instead of Mayweather getting hated on for not fighting in his weightclass. It's a big jump and an admirable task for a great fighter, but it's an attempt to lure his greatest foe in the ring again.

    Cotto gets a break because he has fought the best in his weightclass that others including Mayweather has refused to. Mayweather needs to return to 147 if he wants to regain the respect he once greatly earned. Pacquiao shouldn't make anyone come down to a catchweight, how about he fight Cotto where Manny can weigh-in at 144 and Cotto at 147, as long as it's with-in the welterweight realm. Marquez should move on and take another great action fight at 135 against either Katsidis or even Joan Guzman (Valero has yet to earn anything to be honest, but would be fun to watch agasint JMM).
    The amount of hate spewed toward Mayweather isn't completely warranted, but this isn't a double standard. Floyd isn't living up to his own standard whether he realizes that, and that is his downfall at the moment.

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    • joseph5620
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      #52
      Originally posted by Rocky=Ward
      CAUSE HE WASN'T THE CHAMPION BEOFRE THE CASTILLIO FIGHT! CASTILLIO WAS!! so you have to do a rematch if the champion loses, if the champ wants it of course. Gosh you just dont get it do ya?
      You don't HAVE to do anything unless there is a rematch clause in the contract. Do you get that?

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      • I.HATE.HATERS
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        #53
        Originally posted by joseph5620
        You don't HAVE to do anything unless there is a rematch clause in the contract. Do you get that?
        yea.. i saw that in his post and your post makes sense in response to him

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        • sandyvahra
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          #54
          Bottom line fans wants to see fighters at risk or take risks. To fight opponents that are a legit threat. Pac/Cotto/Mosley/Oscar/Winky/Nard you don't question these guys willingness to fight the sternest. Unfortunately Floyds left those questions out there & as a fighter he must answer them. Fighting JMM at WW DOES NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. To top it off Floyd's contradictions and reasoning don't help him any either. I'm sorry but the man's done it to himself & has no one to blame but himself.

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          • KILLA RIGHT
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            #55
            Originally posted by Spacey1991
            Cotto fought top WW and is now allowed to fight Pacquiao fair enough... but the thing is... people are bitching saying that Floyd can't fight JMM after 18 months off, when Cotto can face Pacquiao just after beating somebody that has been known to weigh 170 on fight night.

            I can't see the point in bitching about either fight to be honest... let Cotto go get his pay day fair play to him.
            I agree with u floyd is getting too much heat for that, he is still fighting imo the best fighter in the world when he was out, as a comeback fight. But the reason it's ok for cotto is because he has faced the best. People wouldn't diss floyd if he already faced the best ww

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            • strugler
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              #56
              No hate if it 144-146.........................if its 147 Cotto should get some hate.............imo...............if its 140-143 PAC should get some too......................

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              • BennyST
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                #57
                Well, while I can dig what you're saying, it's still a little different. Pac is in his best prime years and, while in those prime years, is fighting his best at 140 and 147, while Marquez is now years past his best, though still fighting brilliantly, at 36 and has never fought past lightweight. That's a pretty big difference. Also, while Cotto is bigger, his actual body dimensions are not as he is only 1/2 an inch taller than Pac and they have the same reach, whereas Mayweather is taller than Marquez and has a massive reach advantage.

                There's quite a lot of things different about the fight.

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                • COACH WEBB
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by sandyvahra
                  Bottom line fans wants to see fighters at risk or take risks. To fight opponents that are a legit threat. Pac/Cotto/Mosley/Oscar/Winky/Nard you don't question these guys willingness to fight the sternest. Unfortunately Floyds left those questions out there & as a fighter he must answer them. Fighting JMM at WW DOES NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. To top it off Floyd's contradictions and reasoning don't help him any either. I'm sorry but the man's done it to himself & has no one to blame but himself.
                  What do you mean it doesn't answer any questions? For the hundredth time, this is his FIRST back!!!! You are a solid poster so you should realize that brah. In addition, he was fighting JMM as a prelude to the Manny fight and also kinda slack Manny in the face by beating the guy that MANY people say beat him twice. It's that plain for real and as I said before if he a WW not Cotto or Mosley he would still catch hell for it. Some of you posters are not consistent at all. It's the idea that EVERYBODY BUT FLOYD CAN DO IT MENTALITY. And a lot of you guys call yourselves fans of boxing. Do I wAnt to see him fight the guys that he, YES!!!!!!!!!! But I have enough sense to know that he can not the very moment he returns.

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                  • LEFTYGUNZZ
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by The 5* General
                    Hmmm so Cotto can fight Pac..........

                    But when Floyd fights JMM its a problem........

                    Interesting.
                    Originally posted by The 5* General
                    So Cotto who is a harder hitter and bigger ighter then Mayweather....can fight the small Pac....with no beef.

                    But the smallish light hitting Floyd cant fight JMM without being crucified.
                    PAC has already beaten fighters at 140 and above. he has shown his KO power stays with him even at 147lbs. JMM has never fought above 135 as a matter of fact he has only one fight at 135 against a luight puncher in Juan Diaz and he was wobbled. I still think JMM is a viable fight for Money Man Mayweather but I was never one who said it wasn;t i just rather he would have taken on Berto, as a tune up grabbed a piece of the WW crown and then unified by fighting Cotto and Mosley. I am tired of these catchweight fights. I have stated it before since I heard Kelly pavlik;s corner say to him "you are only losing the fight you still have the titles" it made me realize it id nothing more then a paid exibition. I got no problem with Pacquiao fighting Cotto but do it at either 140 or 147 or even if it is for 143 then make one of them put the titles on the line something....Lefty

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                    • Ravishing
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by V. WEBB JR.
                      What do you mean it doesn't answer any questions? For the hundredth time, this is his FIRST back!!!! You are a solid poster so you should realize that brah. In addition, he was fighting JMM as a prelude to the Manny fight and also kinda slack Manny in the face by beating the guy that MANY people say beat him twice. It's that plain for real and as I said before if he a WW not Cotto or Mosley he would still catch hell for it. Some of you posters are not consistent at all. It's the idea that EVERYBODY BUT FLOYD CAN DO IT MENTALITY. And a lot of you guys call yourselves fans of boxing. Do I wAnt to see him fight the guys that he, YES!!!!!!!!!! But I have enough sense to know that he can not the very moment he returns.
                      Well let me ask you this, how would you feel if Cotto or Mosley stepped out for the length that Floyd did and they came back and fought Marquez, Juan Diaz, or Casamayor? You truly believe people wouldn't be jumping down their throats? Floyd's fans seem mad that people aren't accepting this fight, but how can you blame them? Mayweather left the sport the undefeated WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION. Not only that, but the Marquez fight is (or was) at Welterweight. Why not fight a top 5-10 weltwerweight in your comeback fight?

                      I know what you mean about fighting Marquez to get to Pacquiao, but do you really think people are that naive to think Floyd beating Marquez all of a sudden runs chills down people's spines? It's EXPECTED that Floyd will win that fight considering they're already talking about Pacquiao vs Floyd before the Marquez fight even happens.

                      Low ticket sales? a rib injury? Sports shows showing little interest in the fight? Hmmmmm...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

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