Wheres the hate for Cotto vs. Pac???.....Double standards huh?.

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  • LEFTYGUNZZ
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    #61
    Originally posted by HeartAttack
    I make it a point to stay out of Mayweather threads, but I'll make an exception. As long as Mayweather plays the heel he will be criticized to a greater degree. However, it would be irresponsible to almost ignorant not to see why Floyd would get more grief for fighting Juan Manuel Marquez, then Miguel Cotto fighting Manny Pacquiao.

    1) Manny is the 140lb champion, moving up to face arguably the best 147lb fighter. Manny has fought above 135 his last two fights.

    2) Whether you want to believe that De La Hoya and Hatton were shot or not (Mayweather and Pacquiao's last two opponents) Manny was far more impressive in victory (TKO8,KO2) then Mayweather was (SD12-was trully a UD,TKO10).

    3) Cotto has fought at the Welterweight limit in his last 8 fights, going 7-1, with the lone loss being against Antonio Margarito, who has tainted his impressive victory by cheating in a subsequent bout (I will argue that he lost to Clottey last weekend). 6 of those 8 opponents were against top 10 Welterweights and 3 against top 3 Welterweights. Now he will be facing the current light welterweight champion.

    4) As for Floyd, he retired as the Welterweight champion, with one defense against the light welterweight champion (this fight was historic, as both men were undefeated) he gets full respect for that and for taking on De La Hoya. However, there were several big fights still to be made at welterweight with several fighters that many thought could defeat or at the least challenge Mayweather. Yet he chose to retire (really postpone) and that left a bitter taste in in the mouths of the masses.

    5) Floyd whether is detractors like it or not, is the most visible fighter in America, dwarfed by Pacquiao on a world level, but the money comes from either Germany, Russia, or the states. Floyd is a very intelligent man and his entire existence outside of the ring is entertaining. With that said, Floyd goes on ESPN and acts a fool in another interview with Brian Kenny. When Floyd was actually making a vaild argument, he clapped his way through it...what the hell.

    6) Juan Manuel Marquez has done more than given Pacquiao fits, it can be argued that he is trully 0-2 against JMM, with the second fight being a hotly disputed decision and the draw a bit more on point. But, Marquez is the 135lb champion and is moving up 12 pounds to fight a man who hasn't fought a welterweight contender since he won the crown against Baldomir 2 1/2 years ago. Thats the complaint, that the former Welterweight kingpin come back and rightfully claim the top spot in the hottest division and his home division


    Cotto has some unfinished business at welterweight, first and foremost against Mayweather himself. A rematch with Clottey is more than warranted, and Berto is on the edge of credibilty. Manny however, doesn't have anything pressing going on at 140. Timothy Bradley is clearly his number 1 contender, but he has a very good fight coming up with Nate Campbell, and the winner of that should be Manny's first fight defense of his 140lb title next year. But I doubt it.
    Marquez has a lot to do yet at 135lb. Valero looms large, as does Katsidis, Funeka, and Khan when he comes back down. So Marquez taking this fight isn't something I agree with on those terms, but he isn't getting enough attention for moving up instead of Mayweather getting hated on for not fighting in his weightclass. It's a big jump and an admirable task for a great fighter, but it's an attempt to lure his greatest foe in the ring again.

    Cotto gets a break because he has fought the best in his weightclass that others including Mayweather has refused to. Mayweather needs to return to 147 if he wants to regain the respect he once greatly earned. Pacquiao shouldn't make anyone come down to a catchweight, how about he fight Cotto where Manny can weigh-in at 144 and Cotto at 147, as long as it's with-in the welterweight realm. Marquez should move on and take another great action fight at 135 against either Katsidis or even Joan Guzman (Valero has yet to earn anything to be honest, but would be fun to watch agasint JMM).
    The amount of hate spewed toward Mayweather isn't completely warranted, but this isn't a double standard. Floyd isn't living up to his own standard whether he realizes that, and that is his downfall at the moment.
    Great post I gave you green K but you never once mentioned Mosley who just took out Margarito. You don;t think Cotto should rematch Mosley and unify and see if he can reclaim the Ring and Lineal titles? Then maybe a rematch with Clottey or margarito to revenge his loss or put some issues to bed about who won the fight on June 13th?....Lefty

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    • Pugilistic™
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      #62
      If Mayweather had faced the likes of Mosley, Margarito and Clottey in 3 of his last 6 fights, i would give him a break for fighting a very skilled but smaller fighter.

      If Cotto was to fight Pacquiao, it would likely be at a catchweight of 143,144 which would not be easy for Cotto imo.

      Mayweather on the other hand can make 140 with ease but instead made the natural super featherweight Marquez come up to 144. Marquez is very skilled but the size difference ruins his chances of winning.

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        #63
        Originally posted by Precision
        If Mayweather had faced the likes of Mosley, Margarito and Clottey in 3 of his last 6 fights, i would give him a break for fighting a very skilled but smaller fighter.

        If Cotto was to fight Pacquiao, it would likely be at a catchweight of 143,144 which would not be easy for Cotto imo.

        Mayweather on the other hand can make 140 with ease but instead made the natural super featherweight Marquez come up to 144. Marquez is very skilled but the size difference ruins his chances of winning.
        See...that's the thing. I don't think he can make 140lbs anymore. Why would he ask a fighter with the stature of Marquez to come up 2 weight classes to fight him? Why not take the fight at 140?

        Floyd may be physically fit year round, but that doesn't translate into him dropping 7-8lbs to fight either (especially with ease).

        I gaurantee a potential fight with Floyd and Pacquiao won't be for the 140lb Belt.

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          #64
          Originally posted by Ravishing
          See...that's the thing. I don't think he can make 140lbs anymore. Why would he ask a fighter with the stature of Marquez to come up 2 weight classes to fight him? Why not take the fight at 140?

          Floyd may be physically fit year round, but that doesn't translate into him dropping 7-8lbs to fight either (especially with ease).

          I gaurantee a potential fight with Floyd and Pacquiao won't be for the 140lb Belt.
          I see your point.

          A fight with Marquez overall is a joke anyway.

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            #65
            Originally posted by Precision
            If Mayweather had faced the likes of Mosley, Margarito and Clottey in 3 of his last 6 fights, i would give him a break for fighting a very skilled but smaller fighter.

            If Cotto was to fight Pacquiao, it would likely be at a catchweight of 143,144 which would not be easy for Cotto imo.

            Mayweather on the other hand can make 140 with ease but instead made the natural super featherweight Marquez come up to 144. Marquez is very skilled but the size difference ruins his chances of winning.
            We don't know that for sure...he aint fought there in years...and he walks around at 147...

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              #66
              Originally posted by Ravishing
              Well let me ask you this, how would you feel if Cotto or Mosley stepped out for the length that Floyd did and they came back and fought Marquez, Juan Diaz, or Casamayor? You truly believe people wouldn't be jumping down their throats? Floyd's fans seem mad that people aren't accepting this fight, but how can you blame them? Mayweather left the sport the undefeated WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION. Not only that, but the Marquez fight is (or was) at Welterweight. Why not fight a top 5-10 weltwerweight in your comeback fight?

              I know what you mean about fighting Marquez to get to Pacquiao, but do you really think people are that naive to think Floyd beating Marquez all of a sudden runs chills down people's spines? It's EXPECTED that Floyd will win that fight considering they're already talking about Pacquiao vs Floyd before the Marquez fight even happens.

              Low ticket sales? a rib injury? Sports shows showing little interest in the fight? Hmmmmm...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
              If Cotto and Mos stepped away and came back KNOWING that they were going to set up a SUPERFIGHT with Manny so they fought the guy they say beat him twice, to kinda of prove a point, I woulD HAVE NO GRIPE AT ALL. THAT'S MY WORD AND MY WORD IS LAW WITH ME. However, I get frustrated about this whole thing MAINLY because this is his FIRST fight back and I can understand WHY he picked JMM. He did it to beat the guy that Manny struggled with, then he wants to beat Manny. The fight is at 144 contrary to the reports that said it was at 147 sir. I believe that he is REALLY trying to prove THAT point. I get even MORE frustrated when guys on here want the man to fight all these fighters in ONE NIGHT. But this isn't new at all. Whenever he is about to fight one fighter, we here a BUNCH of people saying that he shouldn't fight him and fight x,y,z, so this isn't new. I just wish people would be realistic and understand that he has nothing but TIME as this point. He just came back. BTW When very good fighters have long layoffs and come back, they ALWAYS expected to with this first fight back, so that as an excuse isn't a good one.

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                #67
                While I do think May gets massive amount of hate in this forum...I think a lot of fighters with big fan bases get hated on.

                and it's the over zealous fans that bring on the hate.

                The only difference in May's case is that he too breeds contempt with his attitude(be it an act or not)

                So yea there is an amount of a backlash that comes with that.

                Cause not only do his fans bring that hate on him...but he does to...unlike the other fighters.

                I am a Cotto fan...I like to think i'm level headed...but there are others that are full blow stans.

                So that makes people hate on Cotto...But Cotto himself is a likeable dude and is pretty humble at least to the media....So thats the difference.

                May gets hated on cause of his bias fans and because he basically acts like a huge **** every time there's a camera in his face...He gets the double whammy of hate...deserved or not.

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                • cortdawg25
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by KILLA RIGHT
                  I agree with u floyd is getting too much heat for that, he is still fighting imo the best fighter in the world when he was out, as a comeback fight. But the reason it's ok for cotto is because he has faced the best. People wouldn't diss floyd if he already faced the best ww
                  OK, so they whatn't dissing him when he fought the best 130 and 135 lb. yeah right...and also u forget that Baldomir beat Clottey(DQ)...the same Clottey who just beat Cotto up.

                  fact is baldomir was the linear champ of WW, fact is Judah was the undisputed WW champ wehn the deal was made. They were the 2 best at WW at the time.

                  Cotto was not, Mosley was not, Williams was not, hell margarito was ranked above them.

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                  • Ch@mpBox@PR
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                    #69
                    Simple **** Cotto faced Mosley,Quintana,margarito and Clottey, FLoyd has not.

                    Pacquiao won a fight at 147 and 1 ay 140, Jmm has not fought above 135!!!!!!

                    JMM is 36, Pacquiao 30!!!!!!!

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR
                      Simple **** Cotto faced Mosley,Quintana,margarito and Clottey, FLoyd has not.

                      Pacquiao won a fight at 147 and 1 ay 140, Jmm has not fought above 135!!!!!!

                      JMM is 36, Pacquiao 30!!!!!!!
                      Logic isn't common amongst the Mayweather nuthuggers.

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