Kotelnik: "Amir Khan is Nothing Special, Done Nothing"

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  • badnewsbrown
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    #111
    Originally posted by lest26
    that win against rees is bigger than any that khan has had or been ivilved in, kotelnik has faced much heigher calibre of opponent and has got to wher he is the hard way, not getting it handed on a silver plate
    yh maybe so. im not a khan fan but rees is pretty awful and he hit kotelnik with many shots himself. kotelnik is the worst champ out there. both of these are not genuine world class so neither can claim to be a real champ.

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      #112
      Originally posted by Dave Rado
      You have no evidence for saying that, other than your dislike of the guy.

      It doesn't take a genius to see that Khan would not fight Ortiz. Khan has been fighting the easiest possible opposition his whole career and has shown he can be easily KO'ed by mediocre punchers at 135. Ortiz would probably remove his head from his body within the same 54 seconds.

      If he wins and can get an easy defense he will take it. If he wins and gets a tough defense he will drop the belt and go back to 135 saying he never intended to fight anyone good.

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        #113
        Originally posted by lest26
        that win against rees is bigger than any that khan has had or been ivilved in, kotelnik has faced much heigher calibre of opponent and has got to wher he is the hard way, not getting it handed on a silver plate
        A 50yr old Barrera >>> Rees

        Kotelnik has had over 30 fights and the only names he has fought are Witter, M'Baye, and Maidana. Whilst he is a good fighter, his record isn't great. In Khans last four fights he would have fought Prescott, Barrera, and Kotelnik...all a high standard of opponent. Add in the fact that Khan has only had 22 fights, and it is not as bad as people suggest.

        If people had as much common sense as they did hate for Khan, they wouldn't be so uninformed on the subject that is boxing.

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          #114
          Originally posted by Hitman932
          It doesn't take a genius to see that Khan would not fight Ortiz. Khan has been fighting the easiest possible opposition his whole career and has shown he can be easily KO'ed by mediocre punchers at 135. Ortiz would probably remove his head from his body within the same 54 seconds.

          If he wins and can get an easy defense he will take it. If he wins and gets a tough defense he will drop the belt and go back to 135 saying he never intended to fight anyone good.
          You've answered your own question. Why would Khan fight a person who has a high KO ratio when he has a weak chin? It doesn't make sense. You could argue that Khan shouldn't be in a position to hold a belt in the first place, but you would have to take that up with the WBA if Khan wins. Another point is, Khan is governed by his promoter. I would hazard a bet that Khan would be more than willing to fight Ortiz, but at the end of the day, it's up to Frank.

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            #115
            If Kahn were as great as some make him out to be, how is it that he managed to avoid the likes of Katsisis, Diaz, Casamayor, or Marquez at 135???

            That B.S. gimme win over Barrera means NOTHING

            Having Roach in his corner isn't going to do squat for his delicate chin and his heart of a chicken

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              #116
              Originally posted by timba1988
              You've answered your own question. Why would Khan fight a person who has a high KO ratio when he has a weak chin? It doesn't make sense. You could argue that Khan shouldn't be in a position to hold a belt in the first place, but you would have to take that up with the WBA if Khan wins. Another point is, Khan is governed by his promoter. I would hazard a bet that Khan would be more than willing to fight Ortiz, but at the end of the day, it's up to Frank.
              No, at the end of the day Ortiz would Kill him!!!

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              • Hitman932
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                #117
                Originally posted by timba1988
                You've answered your own question. Why would Khan fight a person who has a high KO ratio when he has a weak chin?
                So you're saying that Khan should never fight a hard puncher his entire career?

                I don't get it. How many preemptive excuses can be made for him avoiding legit challenges?

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                  #118
                  Originally posted by badnewsbrown
                  yh maybe so. im not a khan fan but rees is pretty awful and he hit kotelnik with many shots himself. kotelnik is the worst champ out there. both of these are not genuine world class so neither can claim to be a real champ.
                  sorry what i meant is genuine as in they were title holders, and while rees aint te best he is leaps and bounds above the majority of khans opponents and witter certainly is, id say he is better than Khan, just lacks consistency. anyway i would not say kotelnik is a bad champion, he is infact a solid boxer just dosent have the hype and a mountain of KOs, well we will see how good or bad he is soon i geus

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                  • lest26
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                    #119
                    Originally posted by timba1988
                    A 50yr old Barrera >>> Rees

                    Kotelnik has had over 30 fights and the only names he has fought are Witter, M'Baye, and Maidana. Whilst he is a good fighter, his record isn't great. In Khans last four fights he would have fought Prescott, Barrera, and Kotelnik...all a high standard of opponent. Add in the fact that Khan has only had 22 fights, and it is not as bad as people suggest.

                    If people had as much common sense as they did hate for Khan, they wouldn't be so uninformed on the subject that is boxing.
                    he has beaten an over the hill Barrera who i still think deserves a rematch, Prescot was un heard of and he expected to wipe the floor with him, he was supposed to make Khan look good KOing a undefeated fighter, and Kotelnik is according to khan the worst champion ever then he gets the fight inly to tell us he is a great champion, Kotelniks opponents are of a higher calibre and you missed rees and there is no doubt more who i just dont no that are better than most of the bums on khans resume, its not hate for Khan alone but the constant hideous hyping when its clear he has much to do and dont deserve ths title shot

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                    • Dave Rado
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                      #120
                      Originally posted by Hitman932
                      It doesn't take a genius to see that Khan would not fight Ortiz. Khan has been fighting the easiest possible opposition his whole career and has shown he can be easily KO'ed by mediocre punchers at 135. Ortiz would probably remove his head from his body within the same 54 seconds.

                      If he wins and can get an easy defense he will take it. If he wins and gets a tough defense he will drop the belt and go back to 135 saying he never intended to fight anyone good.
                      I would bet all my points that you're wrong about that - ie. that he won't vacate merely in order to avoid Ortiz. Prescott with his KO ratio was a huge risk fight that backfired. Barrera, even though he was faded, was still the favourite to beat Khan and was another huge risk fight. Kotelnik is by your own admission (given that you pick him to win) a huge risk fight. Three out of his last four opponents have been huge risk fights, and you claim he's been fighting the easiest possible opposition? GTFOOH, you've destroyed your credibility with that post. You're just a hater.

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