Tyson vs Lewis Primes

[P4P GOAT]

Yes they're rather short on thoughtful analysis aren't they. inferno much more so, though, at least P4P GOAT seems to have watched some boxing in his life. But P4P GOAT seems stuck on whether Tyson was or was not the same fighter after his split with Rooney. If he was not (which he sort of admitted in a recent post), then what happened after the split is irrelevant in terms of judging whether Lewis would have beaten that version of Tyson.

"But P4P GOAT seems stuck on whether Tyson was or was not the same fighter after his split with Rooney"


Err no im not, i just dont think his decline was for the same reasons (excuses) you do.

[Benny Leonard]

I did not say he was a walk-over. Mercer would have given anyone a tough fight, but Lewis should have won a wider decision than he did, and would have done on his best nights, IMO.

And IMO the version of Tyson who had Rooney in his corner would have won a clear UD against Mercer, rather than a majority decision.

Well it was surprising but things like that happen.

You know what was a pretty good fight with Mercer?
When Larry Holmes beat him. I just kept thinking how is Holmes doing what he is doing at that stage of his career/life.

[Dave Rado]

Err no im not, i just dont think his decline was for the same reasons (excuses) you do.

Whatever the reasons, if you agree that he was a much better fighter when he was with Rooney, then that is the only version of Tyson that is relevant to this thread. And whatever the reasons, if you agree that he was a much better fighter when he was with Rooney, then they are reasons and not excuses.

[P4P GOAT]

I did not say he was a walk-over. Mercer would have given anyone a tough fight, but Lewis should have won a wider decision than he did, and would have done on his best nights, IMO.

And IMO the version of Tyson who had Rooney in his corner would have won a clear UD against Mercer, rather than a majority decision.

Basically what you were trying to say without quoting word for word.


Why does that not surprise me. The Tyson you talk about beats godzilla, but having said that, that Tyson does not exist because no fighters is as good as you are making a prime Mike out to be.

[P4P GOAT]

Whatever the reasons, if you agree that he was a much better fighter when he was with Rooney, then that is the only version of Tyson that is relevant to this thread. And whatever the reasons, if you agree that he was a much better fighter when he was with Rooney, then they are reasons and not excuses.

His results were better but having said that he did not have any Evander Holyfield's on his resume so you'd pretty much expect that.

Its easier to look better against lesser fighters.

[Dave Rado]

Basically what you were trying to say without quoting word for word.

You're talking complete rubbish. I simply said (in response to someone who said that even on a bad night Lewis would have knocked all of Tyson's opponents into the next century) that Lewis on a bad night lost to McCall and Rahman; on a fairly good night struggled with Bruno and Mercer; and on a very good night struggled twice with a past his prime Holyfield. And that Larry Holmes, who that poster had said was shot vs. Tyson, later beat Mercer. All of which is simply objective fact.

Why does that not surprise me. The Tyson you talk about beats godzilla, but having said that, that Tyson does not exist because no fighters is as good as you are making a prime Mike out to be.

You must be confusing me with some other poster in some other thread. The Tyson I'm talking about is ranked around #10 in the Heavyweight ATG list. Not #1. And I didn't even say that a prime Tyson would beat Lewis, only that he'd give him a very tough fight. So you're being absolutely ridiculous. And AFAIK there isn't a single serious boxing historian who doesn't rate Tyson at around #10, so for you to imply that you have to be a fanboy to rate him that highly just makes you look silly.

That's what makes your posts frustrating, you keep veering from rational discussion one minute to making ridiculous and obviously inaccurate claims the next.

[Dave Rado]

His results were better but having said that he did not have any Evander Holyfield's on his resume so you'd pretty much expect that.

Its easier to look better against lesser fighters.

So now you're saying you don't think he was any better in terms of boxing skills while he was with Rooney than subsequently, that he didn't decline at all, and that he only looked better because of his level of opposition? Talk about being inconsistent!!!!!!

[The Noose]

Lewis gets KO'd within 6 rounds.

Or wins a UD.

But i dont think his chin was good enough to survive.

[P4P GOAT]

You're talking complete rubbish. I simply said (in response to someone who said that even on a bad night Lewis would have knocked all of Tyson's opponents into the next century) that Lewis on a bad night lost to McCall and Rahman; on a fairly good night struggled with Bruno and Mercer; and on a very good night struggled twice with a past his prime Holyfield. And that Larry Holmes, who that poster had said was shot vs. Tyson, later beat Mercer. All of which is simply objective fact.



You must be confusing me with some other poster in some other thread. The Tyson I'm talking about is ranked around #10 in the Heavyweight ATG list. Not #1. And I didn't even say that a prime Tyson would beat Lewis, only that he'd give him a very tough fight. So you're being absolutely ridiculous. And AFAIK there isn't a single serious boxing historian who doesn't rate Tyson at around #10, so for you to imply that you have to be a fanboy to rate him that highly just makes you look silly.

That's what makes your posts frustrating, you keep veering from rational discussion one minute to making ridiculous and obviously inaccurate claims the next.

What ever you were trying to use it as a mark of how Lewis struggled with him, that says it all about what kind of fighter you view him as.

Why does it make me look silly. I have already said in this thread Tyson is a GREAT fighter. You are the one making yourself look silly be meeting hard facts with would,coulda,shoulda and excuses.


I dont debate excuses.

[P4P GOAT]

Im off to bed Dave. Night son.