Roach: "Pac will fight Mosley @ 142, Cotto @ 140"

[OnePunch]

Roach couldnt do Cotto at 140, he would have to go to 140.10 so that Cotto's WW title would be on the line. Then Pac could be called a 7 division champ, right?? lol

When does this nonsense with Roach end? Maybe he can start putting in the contract that the opponent cant throw more than 20 jabs a round, or that they cant throw the left hook. Or that if they get Pac hurt, they must give him 30 seconds to recover. lol

Bottom line is this: If you are not willing to fight someone in their natural division, then keep their name out of your mouth.

[Benny Leonard]

Makes sense.

I've been saying that as well but when I say it is about Floyd-nuthugging. Funny how that works.


But right now, it is allowed so you have to fight whatever weight they show up by fight-time.

If that was in the contract to show up at 147 by fight-time for the WW division, be sure that fight would not come off and things would drastically change.

[Pullcounter]

Roach couldnt do Cotto at 140, he would have to go to 140.10 so that Cotto's WW title would be on the line. Then Pac could be called a 7 division champ, right?? lol

When does this nonsense with Roach end? Maybe he can start putting in the contract that the opponent cant throw more than 20 jabs a round, or that they cant throw the left hook. lol

Bottom line is this: If you are not willing to fight someone in their natural division, then keep their name out of your mouth.

exactly, if cotto and mosley can't fight pac at 140 they should keep pac's name out of their mouths

[WhoreUs]

You sure it works like that?

I thought they have two different divisions for "WW": "JrWW" and "WW" or 140 pounds and 147 pounds?

Never heard of a catchweight title.

Cotto has the belt at WW/147 pounds. That's also where he is healthy.

Team Pacquiao's intention is to purposefully have these fighters unhealthy for the fight.

do people have to weigh 147 to fight for a welterweight title , benny?

catchweight is between the two camps. has nothing to do with the orgs.

all the orgs care about is that both fighters come under the limit.

[Owlzfan84]

This is ******. WW's should fight WW's. Period.

cosign. Catchweights are lame

[OnePunch]

do people have to weigh 147 to fight for a welterweight title , benny?

catchweight is between the two camps. has nothing to do with the orgs.

all the orgs care about is that both fighters come under the limit.

I think though that if you want to fight for the welterweight title, then you should not be allowed to demand that your opponent come in at anything UNDER the 147 limit. If YOU want to come in at 142, then fine, but for a WW title your opponent should be able to weigh 147. period.

I wish the orgs would refuse to sanction any title fight contracted for less than the weight limit of that division.

[Da Hammer]

this is just setting the low number for future possible negotiations. I have no doubt that if a fight against Mosley or Cotto happens it will be at 144-145. Especially if the floyd's camp blows it in negotiations with Arum.

[Pullcounter]

I think though that if you want to fight for the welterweight title, then you should not be allowed to demand that your opponent come in at anything UNDER the 147 limit. If YOU want to come in at 142, then fine, but for a WW title your opponent should be able to weigh 147. period.

I wish the orgs would refuse to sanction any title fight contracted for less than the weight limit of that division.

welterweight = anything from 147 - 141 lbs.

if cotto and mosley don't want to fight pac at a catchweight then they should go fight each other.

[OnePunch]

exactly, if cotto and mosley can't fight pac at 140 they should keep pac's name out of their mouths

Cotto or Shane calling out Pac to come to 147 when Pac has RECENTLY fought a fight contracted at 147 is not out of line. Now had cotto or shane recently boxed at 140-145, then you would have a point. But they havent.

The thing is this. If you want to win the WW title, then your opponent can weigh 147. When Roy wanted the HW title, I dont recall him making Ruiz come in at 201, do you?

Personally I dont care if they fight at a made up weight. My problem with it would be if the WW title was on the line.

[Benny Leonard]

Was it OK to fight Oscar at 147 or was it a risk? Well, reading almost any piece of literature from before the fight, it was not only a big risk, but a huge mismatch, according to pretty much everyone (except those of us who said he'd whip Oscar's ass )

Let's not lie about it -- most people on the planet thought Pacquiao was taking a massive risk. And as stated earlier, I am 100% sure Roach said 147 was a one-off.

It was worth the risk for a great payday.

David had no shot against Goliath either but he won. What didn't people know? David decided the hell with standing toe to toe and he brought a gun to a sword fight. Not quite the same with the weight issue because Goliath was healthy for that fight, but David did something nobody expected him to do because they didn't think about it. While they thought Goliath would kill him because of size and skill, David had smarts and brought a slingshot with him and stayed the hell away with speed and distance.
That would serve a lesson for future generations on how to get a smaller force to beat a bigger force.

Freddie is admitting to calculating correctly that Oscar could not make 147 and be healthy. The only thing I don't think he knew was how bad Oscar was going to show up which he didn't find out until he heard that Oscar had dieted/trained down to the 140's and stayed there and then showed up like death at the weigh-in. He gifted wrapped the victory.

So if you want to give credit, give it to Freddie for making the fight at 147 and then give credit to ******ity for Oscar not only making the fight at 147 but not paying attention to history (with other fighters that have done the same and failed)...and of course greed and desperation.