Why is Barrera and Morales considered shot when they faced Pacquiao?

[winac]

yes it is pointless.

fuck off now. thanks.

Atlast you get my point. Glad you now realise

[Clegg]

I think Barrera was prime. Coming off of wins over Hamed, Morales, Tapia, Kelley, and went on to beat Ayala, Morales, Peden, Juarez.

I think Morales was past his best when Pac beat him. I wouldn't call him shot though.

[winac]

Mr._Pink, why did you run away? Let's have some closure. Do you understand the point I was making?

[WhoreUs]

Mr._Pink, why did you run away? Let's have some closure. Do you understand the point I was making?

there's no point in keeping up this discussion.

i explained to you the reasons why the fights happened the way they did.



here......you have floyd in your avatar so let's use floyd as an example.

let's take 140. people criticize floyd for not fighting kostya tszyu right?

but what people don't understand is that kostya was breaking down by the time floyd went up to 140. that's why kostya wasn't fighting much and got stripped of all his belts.

by the time kostya came back after a long layoff , floyd-kostya was discussed but kostya fought hatton instead because at the time hatton was more money. floyd wasn't big yet. i think kostya's plan was to fight floyd after hatton but then he lost to ricky and retired.

now is it floyd's fault that he didn't fight kostya?



the reason manny fought morales after he lost to barrera was because it was for the most money at the time. marquez had just turned down a fight with manny over money and he couldn't fight barrera because 1. barrera didn't want the fight at the time (barrera had a rematch clause for the 1st fight and he chose not to exercise it) and 2. barrera-pac didn't interest hbo because barrera's win over morales was less than a year after manny tkoed barrera.

[winac]

Please re-read our posts. Please actually do it. I will give you 5k worth of epoints. You will realise the point I am making. In fact I'll give you all my points

[strugler]

Morales still moved up to 135 because it was better for him and he faced Raheem who he lost to in embarrassing fashion. I remember watching that fight and thinking: Is Raheem that good or is Morales that Old/Bad at this point. It just didn't look like the same Morales from years ago. And then Morales had to go back down in weight.

Diaz...well that just shows you the greatness of Diaz I guess.

Maybe Pac should have fought Raheem instead of Morales II.

If Pac-Morales 2 didnt happen.....................that would be unfair for el terrible.......you know it..........i know it................whatever the result was...........fighting him was the right thing to do.....Morales was unfocused against Raheem....you know it.....and i know it....he was outboxed .....never beat up.............

[Obama]

Pac fought a prime Barrera and Marquez in their first meetings. The second Marquez meeting is debatably a prime meeting. But that's all the elite prime fighters he fought. He should have lost to Marquez twice on my scorecards, and he lost to a post-prime Morales in the first fight. In losing to Morales, Pac consequently transitioned Morales from post-prime to over the hill via the 12th round. Now, an over the hill Barrera and Morales (2nd meetings) were still good fighters, just below the elite level, so it's not like the wins are meaningless. However, his wins over Morales in the third fight, De La Hoya, and Hatton are further below them. De La Hoya and Morales were shot, and Hatton was simply post prime and never that good to begin with.

Manny's resume isn't bad. It just isn't as great as people want to pretend it is.

[WhoreUs]

Please re-read our posts. Please actually do it. I will give you 5k worth of epoints. You will realise the point I am making. In fact I'll give you all my points

i re-read it. i know what you posted.

you're complaining that he fought the loser of raheem-morales , barrera-morales 3.

i already explained why it happened that way.

raheem-morales was a tuneup for pac-morales 2. pac-velazquez was the co-main event of that card. the fight was already made. even though morales lost , arum decided to go ahead with the rematch anyway. besides he had to avenge his loss.


why the hell did floyd fight zab after zab lost to baldomir? because the fight was already planned! and zab was more money than baldomir.

the reason he fought morales after morales lost to barrera is because barrera didn't want a rematch. plus they just fought a year earlier.

the reason for all the delays on fighting barrera and marquez was those guys turned down the immediate rematch. barrera had a rematch clause which he refused to use. marquez turned down the rematch. also because later on pac was with top rank and those guys were gbp and top rank and gbp weren't doing business and was suing each other.

those guys only started calling pacquiao out AFTER the trilogy with morales did so well in ppv. because now fighting pacquiao means money.

i know what you wrote and i disagree with everything you wrote.

like i said......if you were following boxing at the time closely you would know why things happened the way they did.

looking up boxrec doesn't tell the whole story.

i'm done with this.

[letsgobrady]

i don't think barrera was shot but it was reported that they had found something in barrera's head i think a tumor and he probably should not have kept boxing and erik had to have looked the worst that i have ever seen a fighter at the weigh in, some fighters may look weight drained but erik looked like he was dying

[letsgobrady]

i re-read it. i know what you posted.

you're complaining that he fought the loser of raheem-morales , barrera-morales 3.

i already explained why it happened that way.

raheem-morales was a tuneup for pac-morales 2. pac-velazquez was the co-main event of that card. the fight was already made. even though morales lost , arum decided to go ahead with the rematch anyway. besides he had to avenge his loss.


why the hell did floyd fight zab after zab lost to baldomir? because the fight was already planned! and zab was more money than baldomir.

the reason he fought morales after morales lost to barrera is because barrera didn't want a rematch. plus they just fought a year earlier.

the reason for all the delays on fighting barrera and marquez was those guys turned down the immediate rematch. barrera had a rematch clause which he refused to use. marquez turned down the rematch. also because later on pac was with top rank and those guys were gbp and top rank and gbp weren't doing business and was suing each other.

those guys only started calling pacquiao out AFTER the trilogy with morales did so well in ppv. because now fighting pacquiao means money.

i know what you wrote and i disagree with everything you wrote.

like i said......if you were following boxing at the time closely you would know why things happened the way they did.

looking up boxrec doesn't tell the whole story.

i'm done with this.

show proof of marquez turning down a rematch with pacquiao, goldenboy and toprank not doin buisness with eachother is not the same as someone turning down a fight