Why is Barrera and Morales considered shot when they faced Pacquiao?

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pacquiao's accomplishments:

- 1 of 2 to KO mab
- 1st and only person to KO morales
- 1st and only person to knockdown JMM 4x in 2 fights
- 1 of 2 to stop DLH
- 1 of 2 to KO hatton
- 1 of 2 to KO david diaz

[boojee]

the way Erik fights. oh man, current prime Pac would put Morales in a stretcher.

[winac]

Didn't think anyone would reply to what I said

[WhoreUs]

It's eniterely Manny's fault that they say that. He chose to fight the loser of the Barrera- Morales III fight. No one could have argued that Barrera was shot if Manny had fought him coming off one of the best wins of his career, Morales III, but instead he chose Morales. But after that mistake he makes another by not choosing to fight Barrera before Marquez and rather than ending Barrera's 4 year winning streak he let's Marquez take that accomplishment and once again fights the loser of that fight. Also despite fighting the loser of Morales Barrera III he then goes on to lose to that Morales. Then once again he chooses to fight the loser of Morales-Rahman rather than looking for another opponent which could have been Barrera, before Marquez fought him. That was a Morales that had lost two out of his last three. I'm taking not saying these are not good wins but if Manny and his fans want to claim these fighters were near or close to their prime he should have fought them when they were still winning and there would be no doubt. I guess the same can be said for De La Hoya, eventhough I personally think that it is a great win all things considered, as he lost his last big fight to Mayweather. Hatton also lost his last big fight but I feel beating Malignaggi the number 2 at 140 showed he still had it, and the manner in which Manny won was devastating. Lastlly David Diaz was coming off a MD in a 10 rounder against Ramon Montano.

dude , you weren't following boxing at the time were you?

pacquiao just beat barrera a year earlier.

pacquiao was suppose to fight marquez again but marquez turned down the 50-50 split hbo offered for jmm-pac 2.

morales after the barrera loss offered jmm a fight but jmm turned that down as well because of the money. arum then made the morales-pacquiao fight.

after the morales fight. pacquiao sued muhammad and signed with arum.

arum now co-promoted pac and morales. he set up the double header of pac-velazquez/morales-raheem. both velazquez and raheem were just tuneups to set up the rematch. when erik lost , arum decided to still go ahead with the fight which was a smart financial move because morales-pac 2 was the highest selling ppv fight below 147 up until pac-marquez 2.

jmm-pac 2 and pac-barrera 2 couldn't be made then because gbp and top rank weren't doing business. when they finally stopped suing each other and started dealing , that's when the rematches were made. gbp however made sure that their fighters barrera and jmm fought first to ensure one of them had the belt.

looking at boxrec doesn't tell the whole story.

[JACK D. RIPPER]

i laugh when people say pac just beat shot fighters. he fought GREAT fighters close to their prime. the only fight where one can say pac's opponent was shot was the third morales fight and the dlh fight. and they weren't even that bad at that time!

he faced the best available. even if people around him says he got no chance.

DLH is a zombie? hardly. barrera was shot? no. you all should appreciate this unique fighter. instead of being blind fans of the likes of floyd, who is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

The first Barrera wasnt shot, the second one was pretty much done. The first Morales was on the verge of being shot and gave his last great performance. The rest of the fights he was shot.
By the time Packy got to those dudes they engaged in one of the most brutal trilogies ever.
I'd be like someone fighting Izzy or Rafa right now. They're probably both still good but not the same they were three years ago.

[winac]

No you are not responding to anything I have said. I don't care why the fight's were not made, we never know the full story. I said that it is Pacquiao's fault for leaving doubt, not because of why the fights didn't happen but because they didn't happen. Everything I stated was a fact. You say why whould he fight Barrera again when he had beat him a year earlier, well why would he fight the loser of the Barrera-MoralesIII fight and then rematch Barrera after he had lost to Marquez, when you said there was no need for a rematch. Barrera had earnt the rematch more back in 04 than he had in 07

[winac]

Anymore nonsense Mr Pink?

[WhoreUs]

No you are not responding to anything I have said. I don't care why the fight's were not made, we never know the full story. I said that it is Pacquiao's fault for leaving doubt, not because of why the fights didn't happen but because they didn't happen. Everything I stated was a fact. You say why whould he fight Barrera again when he had beat him a year earlier, well why would he fight the loser of the Barrera-MoralesIII fight and then rematch Barrera after he had lost to Marquez, when you said there was no need for a rematch. Barrera had earnt the rematch more back in 04 than he had in 07

you do realize than manny wasn't a big name at the time right?

you do realize that manny wasn't calling shots at the time right?

he was just a tuneup for barrera the 1st time around.

after pac-jmm1 , hbo offered $750k to both fighters for a rematch and jmm felt 50-50 was unfair because he was the champ.

pac had to take major concessions to get the morales fight.

barrera and morales were the big names. they were in charge. they were the ones that had hbo's backing. they were the ones with the top promoters.

at the time pac was under muhammad and muhammad was just shopping pac around as an opponent while he robbed pac blind. that's why pac sued him and won.

pacquiao didn't start getting promoted properly 'til after the morales fights when he signed with arum after winning his lawsuit with muhammad.

pacquiao just got lucky. he was nothing but a tuneup for barrera. morales only fought him because marquez turned down the morales fight.

like i said you weren't following boxing at the time. or else you would know why the fights happened in the order they did.

[WhoreUs]

Anymore nonsense Mr Pink?

i just posted it.

you don't know what you're talking about.

i'd shut up now if i were you. you sound dumb to be honest.

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Zahir is a boxer, your way underestimating his abilities. Morales didnt show any sign of decline of skill that night. It wasnt his night and Zahir exploited his weakness. Theres no excuses on that lost, he won over Pac, he should have carried the momentum while fighting Zahir but that wasnt enough. Zahir just outboxed him and has better strategy and execution.

Although the 3rd fight was evident of a decline, but still it was a great win for Pac.

Right, he did not look sluggish at all... Did you ever watch the fight?

Look, Morales lost 5 of his last 6 fights His only win came against someone who he lost 2x shortly afterwards.

Either that was not the same fighter who split fights with Barrera, beat Junior Jones, Ayala, Kevin Kelly, Saragoza, Jesus Chavez, Famoso...

or he only stepped up in competition when he fought the great Raheem, and got dominated.

which one sounds more like it?

Obviously admitting what is obvious is hard, because it takes away from your boy's achievement...