Just re-watched Floyd vs. Hatton '07, all I gotta say is...

[Benny Leonard]

i hear ya benny, but on paper pac beat hatton at 140, floyd at 147... hatton was king pin at 140 and king fail at 147, fact

I just think people over-do the weight division thing when you have to take everything into perspective.

To me, it didn't matter where the fight was at, 140, 147; either way...Pac and Floyd beat Hatton. If anything, if Hatton would have accepted a fight with Floyd at 140, I think Floyd breaks Hatton down quicker since he was more active at 140 compared to when Hatton got him. And for Pac, he knocks Hatton out in quick fashion no matter what; that was his intention and he is just to good for Hatton.

[them_apples]

I just think people over-do the weight division thing when you have to take everything into perspective.

To me, it didn't matter where the fight was at, 140, 147; either way...Pac and Floyd beat Hatton. If anything, if Hatton would have accepted a fight with Floyd at 140, I think Floyd breaks Hatton down quicker since he was more active at 140 compared to when Hatton got him. And for Pac, he knocks Hatton out in quick fashion no matter what; that was his intention and he is just to good for Hatton.

Yea but Hatton had look bad before at 147 had he not?

[them_apples]

It is a different style, Hatton was not randomly weaker.

Pacquiao is quicker and hit's harder..he likes to trade if he thinks it will benefit him..he only moves to get out of danger (see DLH). Hatton thought he was better at trading and got owned by a guy whos back yard is 40+ fights involving trading and toe-to-toe..he was always quick but only recently upped his movement and defense game.

floyd has problems with southpaws, Pacquiao is a beast of a southpaw, an ATG southpaw.

Judah is a joke compared to Pacquiao, if they fight, I'll go all in for Pac on a bet.

that's if Mayweather even beats Marquez. Coming off of a layoff against the hungriest fighter in the sport isn't always a good idea.

[Jose Rizal]

I just think people over-do the weight division thing when you have to take everything into perspective.

To me, it didn't matter where the fight was at, 140, 147; either way...Pac and Floyd beat Hatton. If anything, if Hatton would have accepted a fight with Floyd at 140, I think Floyd breaks Hatton down quicker since he was more active at 140 compared to when Hatton got him. And for Pac, he knocks Hatton out in quick fashion no matter what; that was his intention and he is just to good for Hatton.

It mattered to Floyd.

He was sitting pretty at 147. He didn't have to drain back down to 140 like Hatton and Pac did. Hatton didn't have to lose much weight at 147, but he does his best work in his own division and not fighting 147-pounders. That's the difference.

There's no denying the Pac KO punch was more devastating as well. It's plain for everyone to see.

[Benny Leonard]

Yea but Hatton had look bad before at 147 had he not?

That's because he fought a legit WW in Collazo for one (who gave Berto problems as well)...fought a Southpaw...and the big one: He came into the fight weighing 158 pounds for that fight because they bulked him up. Team Hatton talked about this before the Mayweather bout. They used that fight as an example of what not to do next time they fight at 147, which was against Floyd. Their goal was to come in at Hatton's normal fight-time weight that he fights at JrWW. So instead of showing up at 158, he would be lower.

[Benny Leonard]

It mattered to Floyd.

He was sitting pretty at 147. He didn't have to drain back down to 140 like Hatton and Pac did. Hatton didn't have to lose much weight at 147, but he does his best work in his own division and not fighting 147-pounders. That's the difference.

There's no denying the Pac KO punch was more devastating as well. It's plain for everyone to see.

He does his best fighting past prime fighters at 140 instead of the live fighter he had to face at 147; that's the difference. He had trouble bullying the bigger Collazo. And bulking up to 158 for fight-time hurt his stamina.

Floyd isn't the big WW. Floyd is a under 150 pound fighter or in other words, basically a JrWW who skips the charade of the scales and just fights at his fight-time weight. That's actually how it should be. HEALTHY fighters.

I still feel Hatton waited to fight Floyd so it's on him. Notice he didn't take the fight with Floyd until Floyd gave a subpar performance against Oscar?
When Floyd was lighting up Gatti's ass where was Hatton?



Anyway, the Pac vs. Hatton fight is the better of the two to watch. If you want to watch Floyd vs. Hatton, you have to fast-forward it until the mid point because that's Floyd now: wait, wait, wait some more, look at me I'm the new 40 year old Hopkins...wait...OK, let's pick it up.

[DLT]

All hail to PAC.

Guys, I just watched Floyd - Hatton and from the get-go, Floyd was landing some clean f**kin' hooks and rights on Flattened and took him 10 rounds to work the boy over. I mean, those hooks and straights were every bit as accurate as PAC's.

Hotd*mn, PAC ain't human!

Just because 2 guys hit a guy with the same punch, doesnt make it the same punch. Floyd was landing good shots but he wasnt really commiting to them. He didnt deliver them full go and try to eplode through Hatton like Pac was doing. Pac was going for the KO from the jump. Also, dont forget that Tszyu also landed some hard shots on Hatton and he didnt phase him much at all

[Jose Rizal]

He does his best fighting past prime fighters at 140 instead of the live fighter he had to face at 147; that's the difference. He had trouble bullying the bigger Collazo. And bulking up to 158 for fight-time hurt his stamina.

Floyd isn't the big WW. Floyd is a under 150 pound fighter or in other words, basically a JrWW who skips the charade of the scales and just fights at his fight-time weight. That's actually how it should be. HEALTHY fighters.

I still feel Hatton waited to fight Floyd so it's on him. Notice he didn't take the fight with Floyd until Floyd gave a subpar performance against Oscar?
When Floyd was lighting up Gatti's ass where was Hatton?

Fighting a live 147-pounder only made Hatton's problems worse. A good example is how Collazo gave him all sorts of problems because Hatton was too small for his bullying style to be effective against legit welterweights. He's better off bullying people in his own turf, or even legit welters who are made to drain down 7 more pounds than they have to.

Not that I believe he would've beaten Floyd at any weight (Hatton's not that good), but Hatton having to move up to 147 (like Marquez right now is being made to do) made the job easier for Floyd. Big or not, that's the division Floyd chose to stay and continue fighting. Pacquiao beat Hatton in the division he ruled and was unbeaten.

[Benny Leonard]

Fighting a live 147-pounder only made Hatton's problems worse. A good example is how Collazo gave him all sorts of problems because Hatton was too small for his bullying style to be effective against legit welterweights. He's better off bullying people in his own turf, or even legit welters who are made to drain down 7 more pounds than they have to.

Not that I believe he would've beaten Floyd at any weight (Hatton's not that good), but Hatton having to move up to 147 (like Marquez right now is being made to do) made the job easier for Floyd. Big or not, that's the division Floyd chose to stay and continue fighting. Pacquiao beat Hatton in the division he ruled and was unbeaten.

But look at Floyd at 140 compared to when he fought Hatton. In my opinion, Floyd was better at 140 then what he became down the road heading into retirement. Both Mentally and Physically, better back then (at 140).

Gatti-Floyd version vs. Hatton: Who wins?

[Jose Rizal]

But look at Floyd at 140 compared to when he fought Hatton. In my opinion, Floyd was better at 140 then what he became down the roard heading into retirement.

Gatti-Floyd version vs. Hatton: Who wins?

Sure.. any version of Floyd wins anyway, even the lightweight Floyd, but we're talking about Floyd circa 2007 who was already a legit welterweight, not the Floyd who overwhelmed Gatti even earlier than that.

The point was that Hatton at 147 was like a fish out of water. The advantage goes to Floyd. The Collazo fight should've given him a clue, and the loss to Floyd only made it painfully clear he doesn't belong there. That's why this is a better win for Pac, because he stopped Hatton in the division he was strongest.