Just re-watched Floyd vs. Hatton '07, all I gotta say is...

[Benny Leonard]

Sure.. any version of Floyd wins anyway, even the lightweight Floyd, but we're talking about Floyd circa 2007 who was already a legit welterweight, not the Floyd who overwhelmed Gatti even earlier than that.

The point was that Hatton at 147 was like a fish out of water. The advantage goes to Floyd. The Collazo fight should've given him a clue, and the loss to Floyd only made it painfully clear he doesn't belong there. That's why this is a better win for Pac, because he stopped Hatton in the division he was strongest.

I wasn't necessarily arguing that point as I was arguing where the fight was being held. This is an argument that pre-dates Pac vs. Hatton.
To me, it made no difference because it all levels out. If anything, I think Hatton takes a bigger ass whipping against the 140 pound Floyd that fought Gatti.
However, if you are arguing at that point in time if Floyd had to move back down to 140 pounds to make weight on the scales; yes, it could have made a bit of a difference because we don't know how Floyd's body responds to such an action. Freddie Roach also talked about having Floyd fight Pac at a catch-weight (making him come down below 147) in order to take something out of Floyd for the fight. Floyd wouldn't have that luxury (if you will) to just jump on the scales after a single piss (if that) for the scales at 147. Below, he may have to tweak his diet slightly and dehydrate a bit for the scales. And I guess if you are not used to that, it could take its toll.

However, again, Hatton could have made sure to get that fight at 140 pounds right after Floyd beat up on Gatti. Hatton was sitting right there watching the fight.

Back to 147: The clue was to not fight a legit WW that will show up over 150 pounds like Collazo did, as well as being a Southpaw WW I would say. The other clue which was mentioned was the bulking up to 158, which they didn't do against Floyd because they learned from their mistake the first time fighting at 147. That's why their goal was to basically come in at their normal fight-time weight Ricky fights at JrWW which would be near (or even greater) than Floyd's 147+

[Allucard]

If anything Mayweather damaged Hatton's confidence. That fight was his dream and he failed it, he blew his 0 and his dream in the same night. Hatton's punch resistance was never that great, from what i can remember be he surely was allot more frail after Mayweather.

[Jose Rizal]

I wasn't necessarily arguing that point as I was arguing where the fight was being held. This is an argument that pre-dates Pac vs. Hatton.
To me, it made no difference because it all levels out. If anything, I think Hatton takes a bigger ass whipping against the 140 pound Floyd that fought Gatti.
However, if you are arguing at that point in time if Floyd had to move back down to 140 pounds to make weight on the scales; yes, it could have made a bit of a difference because we don't know how Floyd's body responds to such an action. Freddie Roach also talked about having Floyd fight Pac at a catch-weight (making him come down below 147) in order to take something out of Floyd for the fight. Floyd wouldn't have that luxury (if you will) to just jump on the scales after a single piss (if that) for the scales at 147. Below, he may have to tweak his diet slightly and dehydrate a bit for the scales. And I guess if you are not used to that, it could take its toll.

However, again, Hatton could have made sure to get that fight at 140 pounds right after Floyd beat up on Gatti. Hatton was sitting right there watching the fight.

Back to 147: The clue was to not fight a legit WW that will show up over 150 pounds like Collazo did, as well as being a Southpaw WW I would say. The other clue which was mentioned was the bulking up to 158, which they didn't do against Floyd because they learned from their mistake the first time fighting at 147. That's why their goal was to basically come in at their normal fight-time weight Ricky fights at JrWW which would be near (or even greater) than Floyd's 147+

That's the point... exactly. That's why I said Floyd didn't have to make the effort to drain. He was already legit at the weight and was only training to box, while Ricky was a chump out of luck in that division.

But who really knows, what would've happened if Floyd came back down to 140. It could've been worse for Hatton OR the effort to make the weight could've taken a bit out of Floyd. Not that it would've mattered, because Floyd's just to good for him anyway.

[Allucard]

That's the point... exactly. That's why I said Floyd didn't have to make the effort to drain. He was already legit at the weight and was only training to box, while Ricky was a chump out of luck in that division.

But who really knows, what would've happened if Floyd came back down to 140. It could've been worse for Hatton OR the effort to make the weight could've taken a bit out of Floyd. Not that it would've mattered, because Floyd's just to good for him anyway.

You guys realize it's only 7 pounds right? Some, like Pacquiao and Floyd become 5+ category champions, some can't move up 7 pounds and they already feel like a fish out of the water. So that means Hatton is a very shallow water fish hehehehehe

[nujabes77]

I just think people over-do the weight division thing when you have to take everything into perspective.

To me, it didn't matter where the fight was at, 140, 147; either way...Pac and Floyd beat Hatton. If anything, if Hatton would have accepted a fight with Floyd at 140, I think Floyd breaks Hatton down quicker since he was more active at 140 compared to when Hatton got him. And for Pac, he knocks Hatton out in quick fashion no matter what; that was his intention and he is just to good for Hatton.

and yet you are sensitive about pbf fighting 'heavy' welters? come on benny, we can't have double stantards now, can we?

[Allucard]

and yet you are sensitive about pbf fighting 'heavy' welters? come on benny, we can't have double stantards now, can we?

Heavy welters are in reality MIDDLEWEIGHTS who can hydrate to 160+ pounds in the fight night! Floyd in particular NEVER re-hydrates, he weighs in the same he fights at.

[nujabes77]

and you guys miss the fact that pacquiao had to come down to 140, hehe

[Jose Rizal]

You guys realize it's only 7 pounds right? Some, like Pacquiao and Floyd become 5+ category champions, some can't move up 7 pounds and they already feel like a fish out of the water. So that means Hatton is a very shallow water fish hehehehehe

Well that seems to be the case.

I know it sounds mean... but he looked like a fish gulping for air after that Pac KO punch.

[- JCHING -]

Pacquiao put everything he had into that final punch, and the training from Freddie Roach was a stroke of genious to figure Hatton out so Manny could land that exact shot. Mayweather doesn't put everything he has into one shot, he defensively wears down opponents and softens them up for the KO. Hatton's defeat to Mayweather was way more demoralising and damaging than the quick KO by Pacquiao..

[Benny Leonard]

and yet you are sensitive about pbf fighting 'heavy' welters? come on benny, we can't have double stantards now, can we?

Ah, should have clarified it again: For that particular fight and situation....Hatton vs. Floyd. My post describes why.