Roach Wants Pacquiao vs Mayweather-Marquez Winner

[JAB5239]

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Who said he has to be used to it you **** did Manny get used to 147 he fought JMM , they gotta start somewhere he went up for Casa and Diaz and is going up again thats weigh-in weight his going in fight weight will be 143-145 all the way through the division hops would like to bet on that

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Lol, am I getting to you "Armchair"? Yes, he went up for Casa and Diaz, and struggled with the pudgy "Baby bull" most of the fight including being rocked on several occasions by a guy who is not kinown as a puncher. True or false? Going up even further against a much better fighter, stronger and faster fighter in Floyd isn't the best recipe for success. Anybody who has ever laced up the gloves before will te3ll you that gain exrta weight without the proper time to get use to it is detrimental to a fighter. It saps stamina and strength 99% of the time as well as making you slower. There of countless examples through out boxing history. Lennox Lewis vs Hasim Rahman. Only 7lbs difference between fights one and two, but the improvement was dramatic. The noticable difference of Kelly Pavlick between the first and second Taylor fights as well as against Hopkins. Hatton moving up to fight Collazo, where he said after the fight that 147 was just to big for him even though he won.

nobody said Floyd is not bigger , he is a little bigger about 4 lb thats the point , mate your proving you dont need to have a long neck to be a goose ,,, and Im still waiting for a trainer or fighter to agree with your weight theories havent you found one yet lol ,,, you got knocked out of this debate as soon as you opened your mouth mate because you dont know weight , didnt I say that in the first post

Please, you make me laugh when you tell me how you are waiting for this and that. I really must be in your head. Bottom line....all your number crunching doesn't mean **** to the fighters who are actually fighting. Its why the old adage is true about a good big man beating a good little man the overwhelming majority of the time. If you were as right as you think you are, this ouldn't be the case more often than not, would it?

[JAB5239]

Youve got to be joking if you think Floyd would settle for 35-65.

Saying its Floyds ego that will nix the deal is a very very rediculous statment as 35-65 is totally unrealistic.

I'll bet every point you have that when its time to make this fight if Floyd doesn't get the majority or a garuantee the fight gets nixed. His ego will not let him settle for less than ANY fighter who isn't named DeLaHoya. Bank on it.

[JAB5239]

Youre being a hater man. Straight up.

Really? What part of what I said wasn't true?

[JAB5239]

The funny thiung is about your whole argument is that JMM called out Floyd to fight. How are you gonna sit here and knock Floyd for taking the fight. JMM obviously thinks hes ready.

If you really want Marquez to take a few fights to get used to the weight maybe YOU SHOULD TELL HIM SO YOURSELF?

Man, you must have missed every other post I wrote in this thread. ITS ABOUT MONEY. This isn't about Floyds legacy or anything else. IT'S MONEY. This has been my problem with Floyd, his ego, his lies, and the suckers who defend him like worker bee's protecting the queen. It doesn't matter that Marquez called him out. Its not the best fight he could have pursued for a comeback fight. But it is the most profitable. Especially considering it will lead right to Pacquiao. That ain't hatin, thats 100% truth.

[Jenle890]

I can't wait for that fight!

[JAB5239]

Using your logic......Mayweather struggled with Castillo at lightweight.

Probably had nothing to do with the fact that Diaz and Castillo are damn good fighters right?

Or maybe it was because Mayweather went into the fight injured.

Im not putting down either Castillo or Diaz. But Floyd easily beat Castillo the second time around. You can't change the fact that Marquez stuggled mightily against the first tough, prime fighter he fought after moving up.

[shadeyfizzle]

Im putting too much emphasis on fight night weight ,,,, lol ,,,, like it doesnt matter what a ridiculas statement you make ,,,, isnt that the size a fighter is when he actually fights ,,, your not very smart mate because ignore the obvious , we look at a fight and judge them on the night but whats important to you is 30hrs before , you have never had to make weight you have never trained anything to make weight thats why you dont know .

Its easy to be a little light like 2 pd for Pac at weigh-in at 140 , simply because the toning down of workload for peaking the the last week will alter fluid level in his body and the empty internals over the last last 12 hrs before weigh-in all must fall together , and will ,,, thing is he weighs 147 ish on the night and so does Floyd and JMM weighs a little less at 144 .

They are not that much smaller than Floyd , for *** sake if they were Floyd would out weigh them by 10to16 pounds on the night just like Cotto Williams Mosley or Margo would , how can you not see that its as clear as a bell ,,,, if you think I have too much emphasis on fight night weight ,,,, what does the fight night weight mean to you , the size they are not lol , cant wait for this Einstein answer

1)Who the **** are you to tell me I've never had to train for anythin and dont know anything about making weight??? Do you know me?? I've had to make weight for martial arts tournaments since age 8 and qualified NCAA div. II NAIA national wrestling tournament 2 years in college. I know more about training, weight loss and weight control than you ever will in your entire life.

2)Blah blah blah last 30 hrs is used to manipulate fluids to get a fighter into a lower weight division. Yes you're right. But tell me what fighter in the world would go through the inconvience of coming in 2lbs lighter (In Pacquiao's case at 140) or 5lbs lighter(as was the case in the 147lb fight with dlh) when he could have weighed in that maximum of 140 by keeping fluid loss to a minimum. or easlily weighed in 147 and not have the need to rehydrate just like floyd does?

The answer is that Pacquiao's peak optimum weight is really between 138 and 142. The amount he rehydrates to on fight night is relative to who he's fighting and how much Roach believes the opposing fighter will weigh on fight night. The only reason Pacquiao has been weighing in at 147-148 on fight night is that he has to gain weight on fight night so that he is not so outmuscled....but 148 is the most he can weigh without losing too much speed.

[JAB5239]

Oh I dunno ,how about his last 2 fights where he moved up in weight?

Oh wait....you mean where he moved up to lightweight and struggled with Jaun Diaz? The same Diaz who was taken to school by Nate Campbell? That one? But now you think jumping even higher in weight against an even better fighter is a good idea? Brilliant.....just brilliant!!

[JAB5239]

1)Who the **** are you to tell me I've never had to train for anythin and dont know anything about making weight??? Do you know me?? I've to make weight for martial arts tournaments since age 8 and qualified NCAA div. II NAIA national wrestling tournament 2 years in college. I know more about training, weight loss and weight control than you ever will in your entire life.

2)Blah blah blah last 30 hrs is used to manipulate fluids to get a fighter into a lower weight division. Yes you're right. But tell me what fighter in the world would go through the inconvience of coming in 2lbs lighter (In Pacquiao's case at 140) or 5lbs lighter(as was the case in the 147lb fight with dlh) when he could have weighed in that maximum of 140 by keeping fluid loss to a minimum. or easlily weighed in 147 and not have the need to rehydrate just like floyd does?

The answer is that Pacquiao's peak optimum weight is really between 138 and 142. The amount he rehydrates to on fight night is relative to who he's fighting and how much Roach believes the opposing fighter will weigh on fight night. The only reason Pacquiao has been weighing in at 147-148 on fight night is that he has to gain weight on fight night so that he is not so outmuscled....but 148 is the most he can weigh without losing too much speed.

....Good post!

[RodBarker]

1)Who the **** are you to tell me I've never had to train for anythin and dont know anything about making weight??? Do you know me?? I've to make weight for martial arts tournaments since age 8 and qualified NCAA div. II NAIA national wrestling tournament 2 years in college. I know more about training, weight loss and weight control than you ever will in your entire life.

2)Blah blah blah last 30 hrs is used to manipulate fluids to get a fighter into a lower weight division. Yes you're right. But tell me what fighter in the world would go through the inconvience of coming in 2lbs lighter (In Pacquiao's case at 140) or 5lbs lighter(as was the case in the 147lb fight with dlh) when he could have weighed in that maximum of 140 by keeping fluid loss to a minimum. or easlily weighed in 147 and not have the need to rehydrate just like floyd does?

The answer is that Pacquiao's peak optimum weight is really between 138 and 142. The amount he rehydrates to on fight night is relative to who he's fighting and how much Roach believes the opposing fighter will weigh on fight night. The only reason Pacquiao has been weighing in at 147-148 on fight night is that he has to gain weight on fight night so that he is not so outmuscled....but 148 is the most he can weigh without losing too much speed.

Who the hell are you you tell me you know more than I have in my life , do you know me ,,, see the point dufas by the way I know you dont know much about weight by what your saying I dont need to know jack about you , just your words and your words are full of it !!

Pac weighed 147 with JMM while the weighin was 135 , ah according to you that was so he dont get out muscled eh ,,, ***wit !