Roach Wants Pacquiao vs Mayweather-Marquez Winner

[JAB5239]

The majority is not disagreeing , you have 3 empty heads that started insulting me in a flame war now your crying ,,,, I tell you what mate you right a paper about weight and I will do the same and then we put those into a thread on there own and the board can vote on who is right and who is wrong ,,,

Why would I get into a writing contest? Its very easy to figure out who's right and who's wrong, and you've got the ****ty end of the stick. Your numbers simply cannot tell the whole story. If they could you would be able to easily explain why a good big man beats a good little man moving up in weight more times than not. I've given you examples of weight affecting fighters and you've chosen to ignore it. You've lost, simple as that. You tried coming off like a know it all. But not only have I fought before and know the difference, history bears me out as well.

[RodBarker]

Make that 4, you included yourself and forgot to include me...

Gopi lol only any empty head would call himself that sounds like a fish , but never the less you three boys are wrong , not a little wrong but big time wrong and if we had to present our evidence and have that evidence judged you lose and we can do that right here on the board if you boys like

Read this fellas its not a bad article about cutting weight , then come back and start your debate again , 2 minutes of looking found this and some good info is out there but thats too much for you fellas because you already know right lol .

http://www.grapplearts.com/How-to-Cut-Weight.html

Why Cut Weight?

Many people not involved in combative sports do not understand why someone would subject himself to water and food restriction to cut weight in the first place. I usually explain this with the example of weight classes. What this means is that most combative sport competitions have weight limits for certain classes. Since the object of being in a certain weight class would be to be the strongest and heaviest person in that class, many athletes cut their weight down to a lower class only to add weight after the weigh in. In the athlete’s mind, they are then heavier for the actual fight, and have the potential to be stronger than their opponent (as long as they don’t do the exact same thing).

The weigh ins are also usually the day before the fight. This gives the fighters 20-30 hours to reload their bodies following the weight cutting. For anyone that has ever seen Tito Ortiz or Matt Hughes fight, you should understand what I mean. Every time those two athletes fight anyone in the same weight class, they always look much bigger and stronger. The Tito Ortiz/Elvis Sinosic fight, where both fighters weighed in at 204 pounds comes to mind. At fight time, Tito looked 230 and Elvis looked 180. This should hammer home the fact that if things are done correctly, cutting weight has huge advantages.

[RodBarker]

Why would I get into a writing contest? Its very easy to figure out who's right and who's wrong, and you've got the ****ty end of the stick. Your numbers simply cannot tell the whole story. If they could you would be able to easily explain why a good big man beats a good little man moving up in weight more times than not. I've given you examples of weight affecting fighters and you've chosen to ignore it. You've lost, simple as that. You tried coming off like a know it all. But not only have I fought before and know the difference, history bears me out as well.

Somehow I knew you would not enter into this where we have to write what we know about weight ,,,, my numbers tell the size of the fighter on the night he fights , it dont get much clearer than that sonny , and my numbers come with an explanation of why it is so which is lot more than you offer ,,,,, with pro fighter prepared properly if they weigh the same on the night you dont have a good big little man so always trying to take the topic into areas that are not relative to the fighters we are talking about and there actual size dont work , we are not debating who wins we are debating true size and I know the true size of these fighters in question by the facts of their past and the weight they step into the ring at ,, you dont know what you are talking about and I know that ,,, how you ignore the size they are during the actual fight is ludicrous ,,,,, whats your real name mate Im not frightened to display mine at all , at least show some integrity instead of hiding while you talk your bull**** .

[JAB5239]

Somehow I knew you would not enter into this where we have to write what we know about weight ,,,, my numbers tell the size of the fighter on the night he fights , it dont get much clearer than that sonny , and my numbers come with an explanation of why it is so which is lot more than you offer ,,,,, with pro fighter prepared properly if they weigh the same on the night you dont have a good big little man so always trying to take the topic into areas that are not relative to the fighters we are talking about and there actual size dont work , we are not debating who wins we are debating true size and I know the true size of these fighters in question by the facts of their past and the weight they step into the ring at ,, you dont know what you are talking about and I know that ,,, how you ignore the size they are during the actual fight is ludicrous ,,,,, whats your real name mate Im not frightened to display mine at all , at least show some integrity instead of hiding while you talk your bull**** .

Don't you think its about time you pulled your head out of your ass? deLaHoya went to 160 and looked like crap against Sturm and STARTED fast yet was over taken by Hopkins. The Lewis-Rahman examples. Hatton-Collazo. These are the norm in boxing. fighter who fight in lower weight classes and move up simply are not as srong as fighters who have been campaigning there. If this were not true why is it that I can promise for every case you come up with against that, I'll find two that says it holds true. You need more examples. Chavez-Whitaker. Arguello Pryor. The list goes on and on.

As far as the real name crap? It takes integrity to post with your real name now? Lmao!! Why don't you give me your date of birth, address and social security number so I can verify you're telling the truth? for a 53 year old man, you certainly act like an imbecile.

[gopi11]

Gopi lol only any empty head would call himself that sounds like a fish , but never the less you three boys are wrong , not a little wrong but big time wrong and if we had to present our evidence and have that evidence judged you lose and we can do that right here on the board if you boys like

Read this fellas its not a bad article about cutting weight , then come back and start your debate again , 2 minutes of looking found this and some good info is out there but thats too much for you fellas because you already know right lol .

http://www.grapplearts.com/How-to-Cut-Weight.html

Why Cut Weight?

Many people not involved in combative sports do not understand why someone would subject himself to water and food restriction to cut weight in the first place. I usually explain this with the example of weight classes. What this means is that most combative sport competitions have weight limits for certain classes. Since the object of being in a certain weight class would be to be the strongest and heaviest person in that class, many athletes cut their weight down to a lower class only to add weight after the weigh in. In the athlete’s mind, they are then heavier for the actual fight, and have the potential to be stronger than their opponent (as long as they don’t do the exact same thing).

The weigh ins are also usually the day before the fight. This gives the fighters 20-30 hours to reload their bodies following the weight cutting. For anyone that has ever seen Tito Ortiz or Matt Hughes fight, you should understand what I mean. Every time those two athletes fight anyone in the same weight class, they always look much bigger and stronger. The Tito Ortiz/Elvis Sinosic fight, where both fighters weighed in at 204 pounds comes to mind. At fight time, Tito looked 230 and Elvis looked 180. This should hammer home the fact that if things are done correctly, cutting weight has huge advantages.

Rod, to set things straight, I never said you were wrong, and I have a different beef with you. Try to back read where it all started. You came at me, I bit back, and here we are.

Anyways, it's all good on my side...

[RodBarker]

Don't you think its about time you pulled your head out of your ass? deLaHoya went to 160 and looked like crap against Sturm and STARTED fast yet was over taken by Hopkins. The Lewis-Rahman examples. Hatton-Collazo. These are the norm in boxing. fighter who fight in lower weight classes and move up simply are not as srong as fighters who have been campaigning there. If this were not true why is it that I can promise for every case you come up with against that, I'll find two that says it holds true. You need more examples. Chavez-Whitaker. Arguello Pryor. The list goes on and on.

As far as the real name crap? It takes integrity to post with your real name now? Lmao!! Why don't you give me your date of birth, address and social security number so I can verify you're telling the truth? for a 53 year old man, you certainly act like an imbecile.

Again your jumping all over the place instead of addressing the facts of this debate and the fighters we are talking about ,,, your just a bull****er mate always addressing everything except what we are actually debating ,,,,

Again you know nothing about weight and how it works in relation to Pac JMM Floyd Mosley and Cotto , your a little boy that likes to drop names like you are somebody when its clear you are not because you hide behind a alt and present nothing but your own bull**** , to put your real name to what you say is integrity mate but someone who has none couldnt see that .

Here is some more facts to belt up your ass sunshine again proving you are wrong , it so easy to slap you around bud your just Sunday night entertainment , your name dropping didnt come to your aid and no trainers or fighters have come to your aid and you cant even find anything on the web to come to your aid , but then that would be hard to do when your dead wrong wouldnt now lol !!

http://www.boxing-monthly.co.uk/content/0008/two.htm

GATTIGATE - THE WEIGHT DEBATE

When some fighters can pile on the pounds more quickly than others, how can boxing ensure safety for all?

When Arturo Gatti signed to fight Joey Gamache at welterweight on Oscar De La Hoya's Madison Square Garden bill on last February, it was supposed to be just another "gimme" for the former super-featherweight champion, a marking time fight designed to help rehabilitate the exciting Canadian ****er's confidence and reputation following the three successive defeats of 1998.

The result, an early blastout for Gatti, was predictable enough, but no one could have foreseen how this single undercard fight would open a huge can of worms inside the core of Big Apple boxing.

The ruckus began when HBO, performing their unofficial fight night weigh-in, announced that Gatti had put on a staggering 19lbs since the weigh-in proper. The Canadian now boasted a frightening 16lbs advantage over Gamache. For a welterweight that represents an extra 10% of body mass - an enormous amount.

[RodBarker]

Rod, to set things straight, I never said you were wrong, and I have a different beef with you. Try to back read where it all started. You came at me, I bit back, and here we are.

Anyways, it's all good on my side...

Oh if Ive jumped on the wrong bus with you I apologize , I dont just start on people and chat with most in a respectable way , I dont hate any fighters and dont have heros , I have been a hard core boxing man my whole life Ive trained fighters including a Commonwealth Champion Wilf Gentzen , I know Im right in this debate regarding true size vs weigh-in weight , and I guess I read you wrong as that other bird brain was jumping on your posts egging it on ,,,,,,,, Its all good with me mate and I have nothing against you at all if I sunk the boot into you Im sorry I must of read it wrong .

[JAB5239]

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Again your jumping all over the place instead of addressing the facts of this debate and the fighters we are talking about ,,, your just a bull****er mate always addressing everything except what we are actually debating ,,,,

Again you know nothing about weight and how it works in relation to Pac JMM Floyd Mosley and Cotto , your a little boy that likes to drop names like you are somebody when its clear you are not because you hide behind a alt and present nothing but your own bull**** , to put your real name to what you say is integrity mate but someone who has none couldnt see that .

Here is some more facts to belt up your ass sunshine again proving you are wrong , it so easy to slap you around bud your just Sunday night entertainment , your name dropping didnt come to your aid and no trainers or fighters have come to your aid and you cant even find anything on the web to come to your aid , but then that would be hard to do when your dead wrong wouldnt now lol !!

Poor, poor "Armchair"! The only thing I have been debating is that Marquez moving up in weight against a fighter like Mayweather will prove to have huge disadvantages. I've backed that up by presenting other such cases and have gone as far as to challenge you to to show me more cases (facts) the opposite from mine. You haven't declined, you've just simply ignored the challenge in hopes that it would go away.

What I know about weight I know from first hand experience, and first hand of other I've worked out with and trained with.

Don't talk to me about integrity when you have no way of proving who you are. You trying to bring this into play only shows the lack of integrity and class you have.

As far as name dropping.....lol, whatever. I mentioned John because him and I know some of the same people from the gyms I've trained at after you had said I never fought. I don't claim to be good friends with him outside of the internet. Just someone many on this board know than could corraberate what Im saying as the truth. Funny, but I don't think you have anybody with any respect on these boards who might do the same for you.

and I would never ask anyone to "come to my aid". I've had much to much fun slapping you around this thread. But alas, as I said before, you're more interested in flaming now than actaully naming ALL those fighters who were even better, or at the least on even terms when moving up in weight.

[RodBarker]

[QUOTE=JAB5239;5304402]

Poor, poor "Armchair"! The only thing I have been debating is that Marquez moving up in weight against a fighter like Mayweather will prove to have huge disadvantages. I've backed that up by presenting other such cases and have gone as far as to challenge you to to show me more cases (facts) the opposite from mine. You haven't declined, you've just simply ignored the challenge in hopes that it would go away.

What I know about weight I know from first hand experience, and first hand of other I've worked out with and trained with.

Don't talk to me about integrity when you have no way of proving who you are. You trying to bring this into play only shows the lack of integrity and class you have.

As far as name dropping.....lol, whatever. I mentioned John because him and I know some of the same people from the gyms I've trained at after you had said I never fought. I don't claim to be good friends with him outside of the internet. Just someone many on this board know than could corraberate what Im saying as the truth. Funny, but I don't think you have anybody with any respect on these boards who might do the same for you.

and I would never ask anyone to "come to my aid". I've had much to much fun slapping you around this thread. But alas, as I said before, you're more interested in flaming now than actaully naming ALL those fighters who were even better, or at the least on even terms when moving up in weight.

Now you want lower your claims like I was only saying blah blah , your a hater and thats your agenda ,,,, I wasnt sticking up for Floyd and just pointing out that he is only about 4lb bigger than JMM one is 144 the 147-8 thats all Ive said and you disagreed with that ,,, You said
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...42#post5290542

" Im not hating, Im dealing in facts. Floyd fights at 147, Pac at 140 and Marquez at 135 "


black and white last few fights each , Floyd fights at 147-8 Pac at 147 JMM at 144 you lose !!

You also said
" But coming in at 144, for the weigh in? How can anybody say this is Marquez at his best? "

That one really showed me that you dont know what your talking about , the only thing JMM will do different is not dry out just like Floyd when against ODH weigh-in 147 and fights at the same weight give or take a smidge all Floyd did different from his 140 fights was not drying out , the scales dont lie on fight night thats their best weight ,,, JMM will be at his best because he will be at his best fighting weight 144 just like he always does , you dry out to make a lower weight class there is no benefit to it other than that ,, again black and white you lose !!

Mate you got owned , get over it your just gunna dig your hole deeper !!

[Dunne Til I Die]

Mayweather-Pac is the fight that needs to happen, hopefully he beats JMM then goes to fight Pac.
And hopefully neither one ducks each other or wont fight because of money, just get it on!
I'd pick Floyd btw