Roach Wants Pacquiao vs Mayweather-Marquez Winner

[JAB5239]

You havent answered any !! you just as soon say oh look at a fat untrained Oscar with Sturm which has nothing to do with Floyd and JMM , well look at Oscar with Bhop ,, in the body and on the scales and in relation to what they weighed in at , you lose again because you simply have no clue about weight , best you stay with your praying mantis and killer crocodile romper room posts or go sit in the back row heckling Camacho you child , your a name dropping wannabe that is quite ignorant to the ways of professional fighting .

Im a name dropper? Im not the one that has claimed to have trained some obscure Australian fighter though to try and garner some respect, am I? I simply mentioned a respected member of this forum who knows many of the same people I trtained with after you said I had never fought.

And those salt water crocs are BAAADDDD ASS!!!!!

Answer this one with out going of in some other direction and this the question I will put back you every ****** post you try a evade the truth .

Does Floyd step into the ring at 147ish and does JMM step into the ring at 144ish its a simple yes or no its written record ,,,,

Show me one post where I claimed what you say here isn't true. But the FACTS are, fighting at a certain weight isn't the same as fighting against fighter from that weight class, fighters who are accustomed to fighter there. This has been proven over and over again through out history, yet you choose to ignore that. It is why very few fighters in the big picture of boxing have actually been successful moving up. Why guys like Barney Ross, Henry Armstrong, Duran, Leonard, Pac and even Floyd are so revered for doing so. So, if you can't change the facts of history, obviously your argument isn't as air tight as you believe.

that is the only argument on the table and that is the argument where you look like an ignorant fool saying Floyd fights at 147 and JMM fights at 135 your words , he has dried out and weighed in at that weight 30hrs earlier just like Floyd has done but he dont step into the ring and fight at that weight ,,, and that is the very point you try and confuse , its not working for you as its just showing what you dont know about weight .

You still can't change the facts, can you? Floyd fights in the 147 division against other guys who also fight at that weight and sometimes blow up after the weigh in. He is use to fighting bigger stronger fighters. He has that ability. JMM has TWO fights at 135. He has never fought fighters the size of the guys Floyd fights. He is also 35 years old and in most cases a man moving up 2 divisions doesn't fare so well because he just doesn't know how to cope with the difference in strength. See Hatton against Collazo, or a million other fights I could reference. You see, moving up and weighing the same doesn't mean you are going to fight the same. This is a concept that you utterly fail to understand. Me thinks if you had ever really been involved in this sport you could understand that. Sadly you either don't or are to stubborn to admit it now.

[Horus]

You havent answered any !! you just as soon say oh look at a fat untrained Oscar with Sturm which has nothing to do with Floyd and JMM , well look at Oscar with Bhop ,, in the body and on the scales and in relation to what they weighed in at , you lose again because you simply have no clue about weight , best you stay with your praying mantis and killer crocodile romper room posts or go sit in the back row heckling Camacho you child , your a name dropping wannabe that is quite ignorant to the ways of professional fighting .

Answer this one with out going of in some other direction and this the question I will put back you every ****** post you try a evade the truth .

Does Floyd step into the ring at 147ish and does JMM step into the ring at 144ish its a simple yes or no its written record ,,,,

that is the only argument on the table and that is the argument where you look like an ignorant fool saying Floyd fights at 147 and JMM fights at 135 your words , he has dried out and weighed in at that weight 30hrs earlier just like Floyd has done but he dont step into the ring and fight at that weight ,,, and that is the very point you try and confuse , its not working for you as its just showing what you dont know about weight .

Rob, Jab is a diehard cotto fan so you think he would understand about fighters draining themselves to make weight to fit into a certain weight class.

We all know that Miguel Cotto drains himself even now to make weight for the welter weight division....he has been doing this for years he even did it at 140, when He entered the ring weighing 157-pounds, making him a Middleweight defending his Jr. Welterweight Title over his 140-pound challenger, DeMarcus Corley.

Which brings in a more important question What’s more important????

What the Fighters weighs before the fight ???

or

What the Fighter weighs at the time of the fight???


The reason that weight classes exist at all is to ensure a fair fight. Fair and safe competition begins with the requirement that the two men facing each other are the same size in terms of weight.

Imagine if we had same day weigh in's...

Like Larry Merchent said:
"Ultimately what will happen is that fighters will start to fight at a weight that is more natural for them, instead of cheating the system"

If Fighters knew that they would not have more than a day to replenish thier body, they would not have pretended to be a welterweight instead of a middleweight.

If you are suppose to be a 147 pound fighter you should not be rehydrating to 165 pounds..., Correct????

This tells me that Fighters are not just replenishing water but actually gaining weight.

Now think about Miguel Cotto who on fight night is a Junior Middle Weight or Middle Weight..Instead of a welterweight.

you have to wonder how he'd fare against contenders who enter the ring weighing 154 or more, like he does all the time.
It cannot be healthy to lose 20 plus pounds for an official weigh-in and then gain almost 20 pounds before stepping between the ropes.

Arguments can be made that Cotto is starving himself to fight at Welter, so he can have an advantage in size and power over smaller men.

So you think Jab would understand this while he is argue over fighters having weight advantages over naturally smaller men. But obviously he is not in the business of being consistent. He is in the business of amateur hating on other fighters that are not his favorite

As far as I am concern I don't understand why he's allowed to show up so far over the weight limit. What ever happened to rules? If a fight is contracted for 140-pounds and you show up 157 (Corley), then you have breeched the contract. Without rules, where's the legitimacy?

[JAB5239]

JAB and Rob argument started on page 16 and is still going on on page 35...

Damn...

I believe in what I say 100%. I know it to be true, so I argue. But I want your thread to look good to my man! People scroll by and see over 300 replies and go "damn, that Saloth Sar knows how to get a topic rolling!!". we may disagree on some things, but you cool with me.

[JAB5239]

Rob, Jab is a diehard cotto fan so you think he would understand about fighters draining themselves to make weight to fit into a certain weight class.

We all know that Miguel Cotto drains himself even now to make weight for the welter weight division....he has been doing this for years he even did it at 140, when He entered the ring weighing 157-pounds, making him a Middleweight defending his Jr. Welterweight Title over his 140-pound challenger, DeMarcus Corley.

Which brings in a more important question What’s more important????

What the Fighters weighs before the fight ???

or

What the Fighter weighs at the time of the fight???


The reason that weight classes exist at all is to ensure a fair fight. Fair and safe competition begins with the requirement that the two men facing each other are the same size in terms of weight.

Imagine if we had same day weigh in's...

Like Larry Merchent said:
"Ultimately what will happen is that fighters will start to fight at a weight that is more natural for them, instead of cheating the system"

If Fighters knew that they would not have more than a day to replenish thier body, they would not have pretended to be a welterweight instead of a middleweight.

If you are suppose to be a 147 pound fighter you should not be rehydrating to 165 pounds..., Correct????

This tells me that Fighters are not just replenishing water but actually gaining weight.

Now think about Miguel Cotto who on fight night is a Junior Middle Weight or Middle Weight..Instead of a welterweight.

you have to wonder how he'd fare against contenders who enter the ring weighing 154 or more, like he does all the time.
It cannot be healthy to lose 20 plus pounds for an official weigh-in and then gain almost 20 pounds before stepping between the ropes.

Arguments can be made that Cotto is starving himself to fight at Welter, so he can have an advantage in size and power over smaller men.

So you think Jab would understand this while he is argue over fighters having weight advantages over naturally smaller men. But obviously he is not in the business of being consistent. He is in the business of amateur hating on other fighters that are not his favorite

As far as I am concern I don't understand why he's allowed to show up so far over the weight limit. What ever happened to rules? If a fight is contracted for 140-pounds and you show up 157 (Corley), then you have breeched the contract. Without rules, where's the legitimacy?

Horus, you shouldn't be calling anyone a die hard fan of anybody, considering you're the biggest excuse maker Floyd has in the entire civilized world.

Can you tell me anything I said in my last post to Rod isn't the truth?

[Horus]

TRAINER Freddie Roach wants Manny Pacquiao to wait for the outcome of the Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Juan Manuel Marquez fight set for July 18 and then take on the winner. [details]

Roach and Pacquiao team has a point what does a cotto fight prove?
They already admitted that they think Mayweather is a tougher fight
So you cant say this would prove that they are looking for a tougher fight in fighting cotto...

They have already said and everybody already knows that Mayweather vs. Pacquiao match is the match that everybody wants to see and the fight that will most definitely gives boxing a mainstream appeal.

I mean seriously, what is the point of fighting cotto in putting yourself and the fans at risk of a potential Mayweather vs. Pacquiao fight not happening at the end of the year.

[Horus]

Horus, you shouldn't be calling anyone a die hard fan of anybody, considering you're the biggest excuse maker Floyd has in the entire civilized world.

Can you tell me anything I said in my last post to Rod isn't the truth?

I am telling you that you sound like a hypocrite and inconsistent
when you are complaining about weight advantages when your favorite fighter is miguel cotto.

So i find it ironic that you have a problem about naturally bigger fighters fighting naturally smaller men when your favorite fighter Miguel Cotto has been doing this his entire career.

Now think about Miguel Cotto who on fight night is a Junior Middle Weight or Middle Weight..Instead of a welterweight.

you have to wonder how he'd fare against contenders who enter the ring weighing 154 or more, like he does all the time.

But you complain about 4 pounds.
But say nothing about Cotto outweighing his opponents by 17 pounds?

Arguments can be made that Cotto is starving himself to fight at Welter, so he can have an advantage in size and power over smaller men.

Obviously you dont see the inconsistency in your arguments, but unfortunately everybody else does who knows your post history.

JAB your problem is you are being a hypocrite.
and you and I know it.

If you want to talk about size disadvantages in terms of weight.

What’s more important????

What the Fighters weighs before the fight ???

or

What the Fighter weighs at the time of the fight???

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[JAB5239]

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I am telling you that you sound like a hypocrite and inconsistent
when you are complaining about weight advantages when your favorite fighter is miguel cotto.

Sorry Horus, unlike you I don't have one particular fighter I nuthug on. Im a fan of boxing.

So i find it ironic that you have a problem about naturally bigger fighters fighting naturally smaller men when your favorite fighter Miguel Cotto has been doing this his entire career.

Now think about Miguel Cotto who on fight night is a Junior Middle Weight or Middle Weight..Instead of a welterweight.

you have to wonder how he'd fare against contenders who enter the ring weighing 154 or more, like he does all the time.

Lol, I find it hysterical that you are trying to steer the direction of this debate to Cotto when it has nothing to do with him.

But you complain about 4 pounds.
But say nothing about Cotto outweighing his opponents by 17 pounds?

Im not complaining about 4 pounds. Im complaing about 2 divisions he's never fought against no matter what he's weighed. Big difference.

Arguments can be made that Cotto is starving himself to fight at Welter, so he can have an advantage in size and power over smaller men.

Look at you still trying to divert attention away from Floyd and over to Cotto on this matter. You may not think people notice this, but they do.

Obviously you dont see the inconsistency in your arguments, but unfortunately everybody else does who knows your post history.

And unfortunetly, we all know your floyd....er, post history too.

JAB your problem is you are being a hypocrite.
and you and I know it.

Im being a hypocrit even though I said I didn't like the idea of Pac-Cotto any more than Floyd-JMM, but understood it from a finacial stand point? simply amazing! It funny how anybody who isn't on Floyds nuts is a hypocrit, isn't it?

If you want to talk about size disadvantages in terms of weight.

What’s more important????

What the Fighters weighs before the fight ???

or

What the Fighter weighs at the time of the fight???

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This has little to do with what Im talking about. But you can feel free to try and answer the questions Rod couldn't.

I've said time and again that Im a strong advocate for the return of same day weigh ins. But that isn't going to change the difficulty in fighter moving up divisions and being able to carry their strength, speed, power and stamina with them.

[Horus]

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Sorry Horus, unlike you I don't have one particular fighter I nuthug on. Im a fan of boxing.


Lol, I find it hysterical that you are trying to steer the direction of this debate to Cotto when it has nothing to do with him.



Im not complaining about 4 pounds. Im complaing about 2 divisions he's never fought against no matter what he's weighed. Big difference.


Look at you still trying to divert attention away from Floyd and over to Cotto on this matter. You may not think people notice this, but they do.


And unfortunetly, we all know your floyd....er, post history too.



Im being a hypocrit even though I said I didn't like the idea of Pac-Cotto any more than Floyd-JMM, but understood it from a finacial stand point? simply amazing! It funny how anybody who isn't on Floyds nuts is a hypocrit, isn't it?

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This has little to do with what Im talking about. But you can feel free to try and answer the questions Rod couldn't.

I've said time and again that Im a strong advocate for the return of same day weigh ins. But that isn't going to change the difficulty in fighter moving up divisions and being able to carry their strength, speed, power and stamina with them.

You didnt address my post at all..you just poke at it.. and rewrote what your argument was with rob...


My view of you is that you are being a hypocrite complaining about weight disadvantages when your favorite fighter is miguel cotto.

for example.

I would be a hypocrite if I made a argument against Manny Pacquiao only claim to fame is manny up in weight classes and capturing lineal titles.
in 4 weight classes...

When My favorite fighter claim to fame is the same thing.

So once again.
i find it ironic that you have a problem about naturally bigger fighters fighting naturally smaller men when your favorite fighter Miguel Cotto has been doing this his entire career.

period. There is no dis*****g this point i just made.

You are being a hypocrite.
because your favorite fighter is notorious for being the naturally bigger fighters fighting naturally smaller men.

do you also think a fight between Zab Judah and Corey spinks would be unfair now since Zab is at 140 and spinks is at 154??

you forget Mayweather fought 27 out of his 39 fights at Superfeatherweight.
JMM fought 90% of his fights at featherweight.

It is no way around you being a hypocrite on this subject.
when your favorite fighter is miguel cotto