For everyone that says Floyd can't make 140

[BattlingNelson]

Well... here is what you have to ask yourself: is the fight fair at a catchweight of 141 pounds? That is exactly midway between 135 (where JMM is) annd 147 (where PBF was). Objective people would say 'meet me halfway' sounds fair.

Now, with Floyd being 2 years inactive, is a 2 or 3 pound concession by Marquez fair? Maybe. Maybe not. I think 143/144 is reasonable. Here's why:

Marquez can force Floyd to strip down a few pounds. Something Floyd hasn't had to do since the Gatti fight. That is four years ago. Meanwhile, Marquez retains complete flexibility to come in at the weight where - wait for it - HE FEELS BEST.

A boxing weight is a LIMIT . Not a "must hit". Floyd weighed in at 150 for Oscar (154). He then was 148 on fight night. He was never going to be the bigger man, so why artificially blow up? Marquez can do the same thing. Come in at 138, 139.5, 141.2687, 142.99999. Whatever.

Many posters on here keep saying 'Marquez can't carry 147'. My response? WHY WOULD HE HAVE TO? Nobody is establishing an minimum weights for him to hit. marquez will be fighting a guy who weighs approximately the same as what Pacquiao weighed in their 2nd fight. Where is the unfairness?


I wonder if these guys know that you can weigh in as light as you want to. You can weigh in at 131 for a Welterweight bout if you wanted to.

But I thought Floyd was a small WW?

You still make it sound that the fight is fair. An even match-up. What do think the odds should be and who will be the underdig?

[QUISQUEYA]

Guys,

Remember... there's alot of arbitrariness in the established weights. They are sacred to us, but if you step back, some of it makes no sense.

Example.

Featherweight to SFW - 4 pounds
SFW to Lightweight - 5 pounds
Lightweight to Junior welter - 5 pounds
JWW to Welter - 7 pounds
Welterweight to Junior middle - 7 pounds
JMW to Middleweight - 6 pounds (huh?)
Middle to SMW - 8 pounds
Super middle to Light Heavy - 7 pounds (huh?)
LHW to Cruiser - 24 pounds. (what?)


And then above 200, you get guys fighting whose weights differ by as much as 20%

[QUISQUEYA]

But I thought Floyd was a small WW?

You still make it sound that the fight is fair. An even match-up. What do think the odds should be and who will be the underdig?

Sigh.

I take the time to explain. And then you closed-mindedly skip the entire point.

Tell me WHY it is UNFAIR for Marquez to fight Floyd (who will weigh 146-148) but it was FAIR for him to fight Pacquiao (who weighed 144-146)

[BattlingNelson]

Sigh.

I take the time to explain. And then you closed-mindedly skip the entire point.

Tell me WHY it is UNFAIR for Marquez to fight Floyd (who will weigh 146-148) but it was FAIR for him to fight Pacquiao (who weighed 144-146)

Look I asked a fair question regarding the odds. Why dont you answer? It cannot be so difficult. You know both fighters well.

[QUISQUEYA]

Look I asked a fair question regarding the odds. Why dont you answer? It cannot be so difficult. You know both fighters well.

I will answer your question.... knowing that you are unlikely to answer mine.

I think May will open as a 2-1 to 3-1 favourite. For several reasons:

1) MM has been the opening favourite in every fight since Corrales (even money)

2) When they were both active, PBF was perceived to be the better fighter.

3) handicappers, writers and pundits will ask themselves 'What does Marquez do better or have better than Floyd"? And they won't have an easy answer or see the gameplan that will allow JMM to win.

4) The hope would be that a fighter who is out for two years gets out of shape. But then we saw this:


The dude is ripped. He didn't do the Hatton/Morales/Delahoya/ trinidad balloon thing. So, his training camp will be to get sharpness. Not to get in shape.

5) Floyd is a bigger fighter. Although their weight classes sometimes overlapped, Floyd was moving up faster, and Floyd was generally one class bigger.

PBF was at 125 in the Olympics while marquez was 122-126 in the pros.
PBF was at 130, while Marquez was at 126.
PBF moved to 135 and 140 while Marquez was at 130.

That is the general trend. Marquez has fought at PBF's weight class, however.

6) Floys is just plain 'ole, um, er, "better" than Marquez. He is faster. Stronger. Better defense. Better chin. Floyd throws every punch in the book, and he has unbelievable stamina. Those are my opinions, but they're really also fact. Aren't they?

[BattlingNelson]

I will answer your question.... knowing that you are unlikely to answer mine.

I think May will open as a 2-1 to 3-1 favourite. For several reasons:

1) MM has been the opening favourite in every fight since Corrales (even money)

2) When they were both active, PBF was perceived to be the better fighter.

3) handicappers, writers and pundits will ask themselves 'What does Marquez do better or have better than Floyd"? And they won't have an easy answer or see the gameplan that will allow JMM to win.

4) The hope would be that a fighter who is out for two years gets out of shape. But then we saw this:


The dude is ripped. He didn't do the Hatton/Morales/Delahoya/ trinidad balloon thing. So, his training camp will be to get sharpness. Not to get in shape.

5) Floyd is a bigger fighter. Although their weight classes sometimes overlapped, Floyd was moving up faster, and Floyd was generally one class bigger.

PBF was at 125 in the Olympics while marquez was 122-126 in the pros.
PBF was at 130, while Marquez was at 126.
PBF moved to 135 and 140 while Marquez was at 130.

That is the general trend. Marquez has fought at PBF's weight class, however.

6) Floys is just plain 'ole, um, er, "better" than Marquez. He is faster. Stronger. Better defense. Better chin. Floyd throws every punch in the book, and he has unbelievable stamina. Those are my opinions, but they're really also fact. Aren't they?

Nice effort although #1 is not a reason.

I would think the odds would be more like 4 or 5 to 1. If the odds were to become as you suggested I'd bet a fair sum of real money on Floyd.

Floyd is definetely the better fighter and will for sure carry the weight a lot better than JMM. JMM's punches will feel like being slapped with a flyswatter. He has been in so many wars that I've lost count. I doubt there's a great performance left in him which is what he needs to give if he's to make the fight interesting.

No matter what you guys say you'll never convince me that this is a competitive fight at all. This is a tune-up and then we can hope to get a real fight next if Floyds honors us with his presence for a couple of fights more.

BTW you deserve at least a capo spot in my floydstan thread

[MaFu MoFo]

I'm the ripped one. But I like a bit of gut on my men.

You are one serious sanki-panki

[MaFu MoFo]

Let's turn the table. A Middleweight been called out by a welterweight, and the middleweight is willing to fight and wants to fight at a fabulous catch-weight of 158lbs. and no less.


Will it be fair for PBF to fight Pavlik or PW at 158lbs.???


Just like JMM is been force to sign the fight at 145lbs.???

[QUISQUEYA]

BTW you deserve at least a capo spot in my floydstan thread

A Floydstan or a ******* is somebody who colors every possible event to favour their fighter. I would challenge you to find an inaccurate statement, or even an opinion which can't be reasonably backed. You know what you call that?

#1 is a "reason" to the extent that People are just "believers". Remember, "Odds" (at least opening) are created based on inexact and human factors. By humans. thus, emotions come into play. It's almost like an emotional inertia, if you get my drift.

[!! Shawn]

Sigh.

I take the time to explain. And then you closed-mindedly skip the entire point.

Tell me WHY it is UNFAIR for Marquez to fight Floyd (who will weigh 146-148) but it was FAIR for him to fight Pacquiao (who weighed 144-146)

Because Pacquiao doesn't have a 72 inch reach.