Frank Bruno vs Wladimir Klitschko (OFFICAL POLL)

[Poet682006]

Well he stopped Tony Galento so he must have been awesome. Seen a couple of his fights must have missed something that you more knowledgeable guys can see I suppose

Again evading the point as to whether he could punch or not. Next.

Poet

[Poet682006]

Bruno DID have power mate. Everyone always said so. Everyone who was in the ring with him, all of the experts who talked about him. What makes you know better than them?

It's because he's stuck on ******, or rather permanently embedded. He's been shown to be an ignorant fool and now he must bluster about in a desperate to clowd the issue so as to save what little face is left to him.

Poet

[GJC]

Bruno DID have power mate. Everyone always said so. Everyone who was in the ring with him, all of the experts who talked about him. What makes you know better than them?

I think if you read back I said in the first post Bruno could hit, never said otherwise.
But would I consider Bruno one of the hardest hitting heavyweights in history? No chance not unless its one long list. I would need more than knockouts against tomato cans and washed up fighters for that. He was well matched, probably better than any fighter I can think of.
1st shot against Witherspoon, Witherspoon was poor but Bruno couldn't knock him out and gassed. Witherspoon lost in next defense against Bonecrusher in a round so I would say he was there to be taken.
2nd shot against Tyson earnt by beating Gardner, Gross and old Joe Bugner! Tyson was
on the slide by then and didn't look sharp remember he loses to Douglas within the year? ok he rocked Tyson for 2 seconds given that he is one of the hardest hitting heavyweights in history shouldn't a poorly conditioned off balance TYson have at least touched canvas?
3rd shot earnt by beating better known fighters they were shot but had a name. Lewis started slow,having one of those nights not really at the races. Bit like when Rahman and McCall knocked him out really, but not one of the hardest hitting heavyweights of all time. Eventually Lewis warms up and end of Frank.
4th shot earnt by beating Fergusan (won 4 out of last 11 fights, shot?), Marin and Mike Evans. Finally Frank wins the title, ok McCall was having a nervous breakdown but great I was there cheering him home. Then 1st defense, Tyson scared the life out of him and end of career.
Lovely man, great tryer and could hit a bit but one of the hardest hitting heavyweights ever? No not a chance. Best management ever? Certainly would have to be considered.

[GJC]

Again evading the point as to whether he could punch or not. Next.

Poet

EVERYONE can punch bit like everyone can run. Question is can they hit hard or run fast.

[.Mik.]

Thats fair enough. I suppose that power wise its possible that Bruno was one of the hardest punchers in heavy weight history. However he never really had the style, temprament and timing to utilise that power properly. He punched hard, but he quite often punched ****.

[GJC]

You may be 25 years older than me but unfortunately (for you, at least) you have the intellect of a 10 year old with the education to match. BTW you STILL have yet to put together a coherent paragraph and you are STILL trying to evade the original point by bringing up unrelated issues that are better left to discussions of how good a fighter over-all Bruno was as opposed to how hard he hit. Anything else Junior?

Poet

Still waiting on that fighter or are you "avading" the question.

[GJC]

Thats fair enough. I suppose that power wise its possible that Bruno was one of the hardest punchers in heavy weight history. However he never really had the style, temprament and timing to utilise that power properly. He punched hard, but he quite often punched ****.

Shavers knocked down Ali and Holmes and knocked out legitimate contenders and though never held the title is rightly considered one of the hardest hitting heavyweights in history. You could make a case for saying he was the hardest I certainly wouldn't argue.
Who did Bruno ever knockout or even down who was at that point a good competitive fighter? Simple question. In 5 title fights who did he knock down? I would have thought in 5 title fights one of the hardest hitting heavyweights in history would have knocked someone down at the very least. Coherent enough?

[.Mik.]

Am I arguing with you?

[GJC]

Am I arguing with you?

No I apologise its that other pretentious rude idiot. Please accept my apologies.
So you seem reasonable and not out to score cheap points, do you honestly think Bruno beat legitimate contenders? I found it amazing he kept getting the shots even in these alphabet days.

[GJC]

It's because he's stuck on ******, or rather permanently embedded. He's been shown to be an ignorant fool and now he must bluster about in a desperate to clowd the issue so as to save what little face is left to him.

Poet

Yes i've fallen to the scalpel like intelligence of the poet. Are you that far up your own arse that you really believe that? We don't agree could leave it there but I must be ****** because you haven't put an argument that I can acknowledge.
I'm not "clowded or blustering name the legitimate contender, you haven't so far.
OK, Bruno is one of the hardest hitting heavyweights in history, give me a number top ten, top twenty, fifty?
Simple maths will get him up there if you make the list long enough, come up with a high enough number and you'll be on it. Mind with your ego you are probably near the top anyhow.