Frank Bruno vs Wladimir Klitschko (OFFICAL POLL)

[Poet682006]

No they wern't, they were considered considered legitimate contenders at one time not that time, they were opponents at that time, I doubt whether Scott Le Doux was ever conidered by anyone at any time a legitimate contender to be honest. But you know run your finger along a fighters record and yes he had a shot, so did Pete Rademacher.
Pretty much all heavyweights are hard punchers like 18 stone hits you a clean shot on the chin. Why stop at Tony Galento, lets list any heavyweight who there is an investment in and look at his 1st 15 fights and you will see ko after ko. Then what happens is they get a name on the record then they give them a shot at the title. Happens all the time and it has happened throughout history. What is rare is a fighter getting four shots at a title like that.
I'll explain last paragraph slooooowly:
Hypothetical Heavyweight. Line up some fighters who were names and now washed up. Holmes and Tyson i'll drop Ali as its cruel. He knocks them out, not too much of a struggle these days but 20 years ago he would have had no chance. Retire him unbeaten. 100 years time look at his record and he looks an ATG.
I listen to your view and for some reason you keep making sly insults i.e. woefully ignorant etc. ok fair enough you can buy boxing books you can't buy class.
Think i've worked you out, throw out impressive names that people have barely heard of and no one has ever seen, I have heard of them by the way even though I am woefully ignorant. Australian fighters who are dead at 22, Chilean fighters who never left Chile etc etc. Bet your the sort of guy who sits through foreign films that you can't understand but refuse to click up the subtitles. Still it might impress some people unfortunately not myself, if that makes me ignorant then keep that view.
Got to say I always wondered how Don King got away with some of his match ups I'm a lot clearer now so you have educated me o wise one.

To bad you can't buy intelligence because you are sorely in need of some. You can't even write a coherant paragraph. You might want to try organizing your thoughts next time (assuming you have any). You have shown only the ability to obuscate and avade the point in question: ie. that Bruno had top-notch power. Come back after you get an education Junior (assuming you're even capable of being educated) and then maybe you can fence with me. Until then you should remember the old adage that it's better to be silent and thought ignorant then to open you mouth and remove all doubt. Or in your case commit it to print for all to see.

Poet

[Poet682006]

errr because Buddy was just Max's tall brother who wasn't any good?

Again missing the point (whether delibrately or through ******ity) which was whether he could punch and still didn't make the list.

Poet

[RiZo is Gay]

And what makes this poll the offical one?

[.Mik.]

Frank Bruno at his best was a solid technician with a jab to match Wladimir's. He also had the punching power to knock out Wladimir.

He had several weaknesses however which would likely cost him the fight. Bruno relied on strength training instead of conditioning which cost him many times in the later rounds and he also never truly got used to being hit. He would freeze up and take punishment on the ropes until the referee would have no choice but to stop the fight.

This is what would probably happen against Wladimir as well. He might trouble Wladimir during the early rounds but as the fight wore on, Bruno would wear out. Wladimir doesn't have great stamina either but he has learned to conserve his energy and most importantly use his size by clinching his opponents to wear them down. Bruno's strength might present problems for Wladimir though.

Bruno destroys Gerrie Coetzee:



Bruno outjabs Lennox Lewis:



Until he runs out of gas:

Naaaah, Frank didnt gas in the Lewis fight. Lewis wasnt entirely sure what to do when he was getting hit with that jab over and over again, so he took some time and figured it out. It was incredible really from Lewis, he took his time and absolutely stung Frank. It was the typical Bruno story really, absolutely fell to pieces once he'd took a big punch. If he could just clich after taking a big hit he might've done a lot more. That twist uppercut on the ropes after missing with two overhand rights from Lewis was phenomenal. He literally hit Frank so hard and cleanly that it was too good to knock him out, it seemed to momentarily paralyse him instead.

[elbonzoseco]

Naaaah, Frank didnt gas in the Lewis fight. Lewis wasnt entirely sure what to do when he was getting hit with that jab over and over again, so he took some time and figured it out. It was incredible really from Lewis, he took his time and absolutely stung Frank. It was the typical Bruno story really, absolutely fell to pieces once he'd took a big punch. If he could just clich after taking a big hit he might've done a lot more. That twist uppercut on the ropes after missing with two overhand rights from Lewis was phenomenal. He literally hit Frank so hard and cleanly that it was too good to knock him out, it seemed to momentarily paralyse him instead.

They both looked pretty ordinary to me, except for Lewis showing some good finishing qualities.

[.Mik.]

Never said that they werent.

It was supposed to be a walkover for Lewis who was by a mile the better boxer. However the usually sluggish and roboit Bruno came out and surprised him by outjabbing Lewis in the early rounds. Lewis didnt seem to know exactly how to deal with it until around 5 or 6 when he started finding angles and getting his own punches through. Frank was and always would be really obvious on the clinch though, hand around the back of the head and no defense whatsoever on the split. Lewis took advantage of that and Bruno had no response. That shot while Bruno was on the ropes was world class, would've finished anyone. Two over-hand rights that slipped over the top, so Lewis feints to throw another and twists it into an uppercut instead, straight through the defense and Bruno's hands go down. Should've been stopped there and then.

[GJC]

To bad you can't buy intelligence because you are sorely in need of some. You can't even write a coherant paragraph. You might want to try organizing your thoughts next time (assuming you have any). You have shown only the ability to obuscate and avade the point in question: ie. that Bruno had top-notch power. Come back after you get an education Junior (assuming you're even capable of being educated) and then maybe you can fence with me. Until then you should remember the old adage that it's better to be silent and thought ignorant then to open you mouth and remove all doubt. Or in your case commit it to print for all to see.

Poet

I'm 25 years older than you, you pretentious patronising arsehole.
The words you are looking for are evade not avade and obfuscate not obuscate if you care to nit pick over education.
I wouldn't fence with anyone who rates Arguello over Pep and Sadler to be honest.
I have not evaded the question of did Bruno have top notch power, my answer is no. Name one fighter he knocked out who was there and had a reasonable chance of winning at that time. Still waiting on that, true you have named some fighters who at one point could have been considered contenders but not at the point they fought Bruno.
Did Berbick beating Ali impress the **** out of you? Should do by the rationale you are using.

[.Mik.]

Bruno DID have power mate. Everyone always said so. Everyone who was in the ring with him, all of the experts who talked about him. What makes you know better than them?

[GJC]

Again missing the point (whether delibrately or through ******ity) which was whether he could punch and still didn't make the list.

Poet

Well he stopped Tony Galento so he must have been awesome. Seen a couple of his fights must have missed something that you more knowledgeable guys can see I suppose

[Poet682006]

I'm 25 years older than you, you pretentious patronising arsehole.
The words you are looking for are evade not avade and obfuscate not obuscate if you care to nit pick over education.
I wouldn't fence with anyone who rates Arguello over Pep and Sadler to be honest.
I have not evaded the question of did Bruno have top notch power, my answer is no. Name one fighter he knocked out who was there and had a reasonable chance of winning at that time. Still waiting on that, true you have named some fighters who at one point could have been considered contenders but not at the point they fought Bruno.
Did Berbick beating Ali impress the **** out of you? Should do by the rationale you are using.

You may be 25 years older than me but unfortunately (for you, at least) you have the intellect of a 10 year old with the education to match. BTW you STILL have yet to put together a coherent paragraph and you are STILL trying to evade the original point by bringing up unrelated issues that are better left to discussions of how good a fighter over-all Bruno was as opposed to how hard he hit. Anything else Junior?

Poet