Frank Bruno vs Wladimir Klitschko (OFFICAL POLL)

[mickey malone]

Yeah Bruno even admit in in article that i read that he wasnt the most skilled guy, but he did have a very good jab and a very powerfull right hand he also had a good left hook, His resume is not great by any means but it is ok, maybe he didnt deserve so many title shot but you cant take away the fact that he gave Lewis a lot of trouble and was able to hurt Tyson, and he was able to beat McCall who was a decent fighter maybe he wasnt at his best going into that fight i remember seeing McCall crying on the way to the ring but he did that in almost all his major fights, I think it would be a close run thing as both have big power in the right hand and a good jab, Wlad has more talent but that doesnt always win you a fight.

Yeah.... Makes sense, but get rid of that ****ing list of your's.. It only encourages others to make a fool of themselves..

[TheGreatA]

That punch he lands on McCall at around 2:36 would probably stop Wladimir. I think McCall said it was the hardest punch he was hit with.

ESB: While I don’t think you were close to ever being hurt seriously, who did come the closest to buzzing you?

Oliver McCall: I would say Bruno in the first round where he caught me with a nice little right hand and gave me a lump under my eye. It was kind of hard to get back into the fight after it, cause it was one of those punches that changes a fight.

[paul750]

ESB: While I don’t think you were close to ever being hurt seriously, who did come the closest to buzzing you?

Oliver McCall: I would say Bruno in the first round where he caught me with a nice little right hand and gave me a lump under my eye. It was kind of hard to get back into the fight after it, cause it was one of those punches that changes a fight.

I think you actually posted that video a few weeks back, if I remember correctly. Bruno could certainly ****.

[Special K]

Bruno is no match at all for the younger Klitschko. Wlad has way way too much in his locker.

[cotto16]

I say that because I know of NO one who can make that claim. Even the most knowledgable boxing historians are going to have negligible familiarity about some fighters.





Selecting ATGs isn't just about watching film: You have to do a little research too and see what their contemporaries thought of them and also how boxing historians (ie. people with presumably more knowledge about the sport than either you or I possess) see them.



In reviewing my posts I can't see anywhere where I indicated you were a Klit-Licker. I DID make a post responding to Klitschko2009 aka Wlad_Ownz who is a notorious Klitschko nuthugger.



Jesse Ferguson - Got a title shot against Bowe
Carl Williams - Got two title shots against Holmes and Tyson
Gerrie Coetzee - A former alphabet belt holder
Bonecrusher Smith - Got multiple title shots
Scott LeDoux - Got a title shot against Holmes
Pierre Coetzer - No title shots but considered a contender at the time




Just glancing at the list I noticed three immediately:

Buddy Baer
Tony Ayala
Tony Galento

All were hard punchers in their weight class and didn't make the list. A case could also be made for Aaron Pryor. Again, that list is for "best" punchers (ie. effective punchers) not "hardest" punchers. You can have all the power in the world but if you're too clumsy, or too slow, or too wild to land cleanly consistantly you probably won't make the list. With a little research (or even a little time for reflection) I imagine I could come up with some other fighters with very good power that didn't make the list.

Poet

buddy bear made the rings punchers list

[Poet682006]

buddy bear made the rings punchers list

Max Baer made it; didn't see Buddy on there.

Poet

[Poet682006]

Legitimate contenders??? Yeah Fergusan got a shot by winning 2 out of 6 fights, LeDoux got a shot by winning 1 out of 4. Coetzee came to go to the shops, I went to that fight btw. Williams was a contender 4 years before, hell why not throw Bugner in, he'd BEEN a contender. A legitimate contender not a tune up fight, i.e. someone who you think could have a realistic chance of winning the title. Pierre Coetzer was wheeled out a couple of months after Bowe had ruined him, still it looks good on paper.

Whether or not you think that particular era was strong or not is irrelivent: All thos guys were considered legititmate contenders at the time.

I note you didn’t mention Bruno in the nearly 30 fighters you mentioned in your ATG heavyweight list, a title holder, one of the acknowledged hardest hitting heavyweights in history who only lost 5 fights all to world champions, did you forget? Tony Ayala Jnr ok he would be worth looking at, Tony Galento and Buddy Baer??? You’re kidding right? Hell Jack Doyle could hit put him on there too.

The issue was whether Bruno was known as one of the hardest punching Heavyweights. You then trundled out the Ring list and defied me to find hard punchers that weren't on it. I've given you three, possibly four with Pryor. If you DON'T think Buddy Baer and Galento were hard punchers then you are woefully ignorant of boxing history and more study is obviously in order for you.

So basically by your rationale I get a reasonable hard hitting heavyweight with a resonable chin, dig out Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson and might as well drag out poor Ali, get him to beat them and then either retire him or better still for the legend murder him and in 100 years time he will be ranked as the greatest heavyweight ever. Undefeated after beating 3 ATG’s.

That paragraph was unintelligable so I won't bother to respond to it.

Poet

[GJC]

Whether or not you think that particular era was strong or not is irrelivent: All thos guys were considered legititmate contenders at the time.



The issue was whether Bruno was known as one of the hardest punching Heavyweights. You then trundled out the Ring list and defied me to find hard punchers that weren't on it. I've given you three, possibly four with Pryor. If you DON'T think Buddy Baer and Galento were hard punchers then you are woefully ignorant of boxing history and more study is obviously in order for you.



That paragraph was unintelligable so I won't bother to respond to it.

Poet

No they wern't, they were considered considered legitimate contenders at one time not that time, they were opponents at that time, I doubt whether Scott Le Doux was ever conidered by anyone at any time a legitimate contender to be honest. But you know run your finger along a fighters record and yes he had a shot, so did Pete Rademacher.
Pretty much all heavyweights are hard punchers like 18 stone hits you a clean shot on the chin. Why stop at Tony Galento, lets list any heavyweight who there is an investment in and look at his 1st 15 fights and you will see ko after ko. Then what happens is they get a name on the record then they give them a shot at the title. Happens all the time and it has happened throughout history. What is rare is a fighter getting four shots at a title like that.
I'll explain last paragraph slooooowly:
Hypothetical Heavyweight. Line up some fighters who were names and now washed up. Holmes and Tyson i'll drop Ali as its cruel. He knocks them out, not too much of a struggle these days but 20 years ago he would have had no chance. Retire him unbeaten. 100 years time look at his record and he looks an ATG.
I listen to your view and for some reason you keep making sly insults i.e. woefully ignorant etc. ok fair enough you can buy boxing books you can't buy class.
Think i've worked you out, throw out impressive names that people have barely heard of and no one has ever seen, I have heard of them by the way even though I am woefully ignorant. Australian fighters who are dead at 22, Chilean fighters who never left Chile etc etc. Bet your the sort of guy who sits through foreign films that you can't understand but refuse to click up the subtitles. Still it might impress some people unfortunately not myself, if that makes me ignorant then keep that view.
Got to say I always wondered how Don King got away with some of his match ups I'm a lot clearer now so you have educated me o wise one.

[GJC]

Max Baer made it; didn't see Buddy on there.

Poet

errr because Buddy was just Max's tall brother who wasn't any good?

[Kc-hoodsta]

i honestly believe wlad would win becausse people forgetr frank bruno had no stamina