Mayweather vs. Marquez Negotiations Stalled on Weight

[Dave Rado]

The only people asking for Mayweather to come back are the ones with insomnia.

So why did you bother to post in this thread? And judging by the fact that this thread has reached 87 pages already, and no other boxer gets anywhere near that sort of interest, your statement is moronic.

[Dave Rado]

If you are the biggest seller you are entitled to demands ask Oscar. Do you honestly think DLH cared about a P4P list? When was the last time DLH split a fight 50-50? The one who puts the ASS** in the seats and sells PPV get to make the demands.

DLH had to compromise on weight when he fought Pac - and he had to compromise on the purse too.

[Dave Rado]

Its true JMM is "the man" at 135 but not for unifying the belts its because he beat Casamayor who had The Ring Magazine Title at LW.

It was still disputed whether he was really the man, until he beat Juan Diaz and Campbell moved up. He was the lineal champ when he beat Casmayor, but until the lineal champ defends against the best fighters in his division, he isn't really the man. Marquez is the man now.

[Dave Rado]

Nope he is the man at any weight class.

LOL! Watch out Wlad!!!!!

[Dave Rado]

Pac owns JMM. Pac beat JMM the 1st time without a judges error. True. Pac moved on and beat the greats Morales, Barrera, De La Hoya. Pac is #1 P4P. Pac has had 2 mega PPV fights in his last 2 fights. Pac is an Icon in his country.

JMM loses to John. Beats a old Cassamayor, a young bull that got manhandled by Nate Campbell. Not even the top 3 boxer in Mexico according to the fans and $. JMM is chasing Pac for a chance at a 3rd fight.

Again Pac owns JMM.

You're just a hater, that's all there is to it.

[Dave Rado]

So JMM gets Pacs left overs. What is Pacs weight class after he finishes daring to be great by moving up in weight and fighting World Class elite fighters.

David Diaz is a world class elite fighter? You know nothing about boxing.

The best fighter Pac has ever fought is JMM, as Pac himself admits.

[handler000]

It was still disputed whether he was really the man, until he beat Juan Diaz and Campbell moved up. He was the lineal champ when he beat Casmayor, but until the lineal champ defends against the best fighters in his division, he isn't really the man. Marquez is the man now.

Do you just make this sh** up? So I guess Floyd wasnt the "MAN" at 147 according to you since he never fought the top contenders? I guess Pavlik isnt the man at 160 because he hasnt fought the top contenders? I guess Hatton isnt the man because he havent fought the top in his division? See how moronic that sounds!!!

[Dave Rado]

Do you just make this sh** up? So I guess Floyd wasnt the "MAN" at 147 according to you since he never fought the top contenders? I guess Pavlik isnt the man at 160 because he hasnt fought the top contenders? I guess Hatton isnt the man because he havent fought the top in his division? See how moronic that sounds!!!

Hatton has twice defended against The Ring's #1 contender in his division. And all his defences were against opponents who were in The Ring's top 10 at the weight.

It is precisely because Mayweather has never defended his Welterweight title against a top contender that most neutrals don't consider him to have proved himself at Welterweight.

Pavlik needs to beat Abraham before most neutrals will consider him to be proven as the man at Middleweight.

It's the difference between being a temporary title holder like Boldomir was, and a dominant champion. Boldomir was only "the man" in the strict sense that he was the man who had to be beaten in order to claim the lineal title. But he was never the world's best Welterweight. To prove you're the best you have to beat the best.

And patronising people just makes you look silly.

[handler000]

Hatton has twice defended against The Ring's #1 contender in his division. And all his defences were against opponents who were in The Ring's top 10 at the weight.

It is precisely because Mayweather has never defended his Welterweight title against a top contender that most neutrals don't consider him to have proved himself at Welterweight.

Pavlik needs to beat Abraham before most neutrals will consider him to be proven as the man at Middleweight.

It's the difference between being a temporary title holder like Boldomir was, and a dominant champion. Boldomir was only "the man" in the strict sense that he was the man who had to be beaten in order to claim the lineal title. But he was never the world's best Welterweight. To prove you're the best you have to beat the best.

And patronising people just makes you look silly.

Here we go, NOW your assessments are based on neutrals? Just last week you based it on "experts would agree with you".. You can have it both ways Dave. So since experts had FM the man at 147 but neutrals dont he's not the man? Experts have Pavlik as the man @ 160 but its wrong because neutrals dont? The only time I could see your reasoning in this matter is when Campbell beat the man in Diaz but Casamayor was still consider the man @ 135.

[Dave Rado]

Here we go, NOW your assessments are based on neutrals? Just last week you based it on "experts would agree with you".. You can have it both ways Dave. So since experts had FM the man at 147 but neutrals dont he's not the man? Experts have Pavlik as the man @ 160 but its wrong because neutrals dont? The only time I could see your reasoning in this matter is when Campbell beat the man in Diaz but Casamayor was still consider the man @ 135.

Experts don't generally use the phrase "the man". They considered him to be the lineal champion, because he was. But once there were serious challengers in the division they wanted him to defend against them, and he didn't. He was considered to be the best Welterweight, but that was based on his skills, not based on who he had beaten at the weight. Judah and Boldomir are not great scalps. And if your definition of "the man" is simply the lineal title holder, that would have made Boldomir "the man". Boldomir was that only in the strict sense that he held a lineal title, but he was not a dominant champion, and was never the best Welterweight. To prove you're the man at a weight class you have to not only win a title but then defend it against top contenders.

Pavlik looks like facing Abraham later this year, but if he were to duck out of that fight, there would be serious question marks in most experts' minds about whether he really is "the man" - and although he will be favourite to win that fight, he won't be a strong favourite.

And what about Michael Spinks when he spent 18 months ducking Tyson but was still the lineal heavyweight champion during that period. Would you say that Spinks was generally accepted as "the man" at that time?