Who is P4P if Mayweather returns ?

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  • VaBoriKua 2.0
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    #81
    Originally posted by Down4TheCount
    OK well since no one can really decide on this and it seems to be 50 / 50 id like to throw my view out there and see what people think of this idea. on may 2nd when pac and hatton get it on, lets say pac wins a close fight something to the tune of 7 rounds to 5 rounds . can we then reclaim floyd as the pound for pound number 1 because of the dominating fashion in wich floyd whooped ricky ?

    and for all those who are going to say " oh but than pac is better than floyd because of the oscar fight " all i have to say is that if you honestly believe that 144 lb shell of oscar was anything like what floyd fought at 154 you need to stop trying to analyze boxing.
    No you cant do that because you guys say floyd beat dlh at his real weight of 154 and got a sd and when pac people say they dominated dlh and made him quit in 9 and won every round floyd people say he was weight drained even though pacman destroyed him worse than what mayweather did. Then you guys say oh floyd beat hatton but he didnt do it at hattons weight he beat him at 147 where he doesnt look his best alot of people saw him lose his first fight at 147 against collazo and he never came back because he didnt look good at that weight. Well pacman is fighting hatton at his best at his own weight yall need to stop hating on pacman

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    • 2quick2slick
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      #82
      Pacquiao was #2 when Mayweather pussied out and retired just to avoid the fresh and well determined Cotto and Margarito. Floyd is inactive for almost a year and half while Pac fought 3 weight classes last year (2 of them were world titles) and won all 3 of them.

      No ****in way Floyd is gettin his throne back without beating Pac first.

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      • VaBoriKua 2.0
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        #83
        Originally posted by 2quick2slick
        Pacquiao was #2 when Mayweather pussied out and retired just to avoid the fresh and well determined Cotto and Margarito. Floyd is inactive for almost a year and half while Pac fought 3 weight classes last year (2 of them were world titles) and won all 3 of them.

        No ****in way Floyd is gettin his throne back without beating Pac first.
        exactly floyd isnt in the p4p until he beats someone on it and still he wont be number one

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        • 2quick2slick
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          #84
          Originally posted by KESSLER
          Even if he had a long layoff, when he comes back, he is still the best fighter in the world. He would easily whoop Pacman's ass, therefore ... Mayweather > Pacman P4P
          Are you that ignorant? Do you even know the meaning of "pound for pound"?

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          • QUISQUEYA
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            #85
            Originally posted by Smash
            There is one big difference here, pac took the money fights like floyd against hatton and de la hoya. But pac also has the tough legacy fights on his cv (morales, barerra, marquez) multiple times in their primes mostly. Floyd has NOTHING like that. The best he has is maybe chico and castillo. Not bad wins but nothing wow either. There are plenty of guys out there with better wins than castillo and the other guys floyd has fought, i mean plenty. That why floyd has to prove it, i doubt he will. He will just take the winner of pac/hatton and retire again. ::

            One other thing, pac is fighting hatton at his natural weight class, 140. Floyd forced hatton to move up to 147 to fight him. Its a small point but significant. Pac should be 1 until its PROVEN otherwise. ::
            I thought (hoped) you would be way more informed.

            1) pac's wins over Morales were against a much diminished version of morales. Pac never beat a prime Erik.

            2) The first barrera win was GREAT. the second one was meaningless.

            3) the marquez fights were prime. absolutely. And any objective person will tell you that they fought pretty evenly. that second fight is largely up for debate. Marquez is a good fighter. Don't act like JMM is some ATG. Who has JMM beaten? Juan Diaz? Rocky Juarez?

            4) Floyd did NOT, repeat NOT, force hatton to come to 147. The weight was up for negotiation. Hatton ALSO wanted the fight at 147, so his belt wouldn't be on the line. Look it up. Don't forget that Hatton refused a (actually, multiple) Mayweather offer at 140. Did you even know that?

            You say that 140 is "hatton's natural weight class" as if 147 is Floyd's natural class. As if hatton didn't have 35-40 fights at weight classes HIGHER than Floyd. You are being either disingenuous or unknowledgeable. Which?

            Is SRL's win over Duran diminished bc Duran moved up from LW? Is hagler's win over Hearns diminished bc Hearns moved up from WW?

            5) If Pac and Floyd fight this fall, where is your money going?

            Much love.

            Q

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            • QUISQUEYA
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              #86
              Originally posted by 2quick2slick
              Are you that ignorant? Do you even know the meaning of "pound for pound"?
              Well, they would fight at the same weight. So in this instance, P4P doesn't really play. It's just a heads-up match.

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              • VaBoriKua 2.0
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                #87
                Originally posted by QUISQUEYA
                I thought (hoped) you would be way more informed.

                1) pac's wins over Morales were against a much diminished version of morales. Pac never beat a prime Erik.

                2) The first barrera win was GREAT. the second one was meaningless.

                3) the marquez fights were prime. absolutely. And any objective person will tell you that they fought pretty evenly. that second fight is largely up for debate. Marquez is a good fighter. Don't act like JMM is some ATG. Who has JMM beaten? Juan Diaz? Rocky Juarez?

                4) Floyd did NOT, repeat NOT, force hatton to come to 147. The weight was up for negotiation. Hatton ALSO wanted the fight at 147, so his belt wouldn't be on the line. Look it up. Don't forget that Hatton refused a (actually, multiple) Mayweather offer at 140. Did you even know that?

                You say that 140 is "hatton's natural weight class" as if 147 is Floyd's natural class. As if hatton didn't have 35-40 fights at weight classes HIGHER than Floyd. You are being either disingenuous or unknowledgeable. Which?

                Is SRL's win over Duran diminished bc Duran moved up from LW? Is hagler's win over Hearns diminished bc Hearns moved up from WW?

                5) If Pac and Floyd fight this fall, where is your money going?

                Much love.

                Q
                id bet my money on pacman

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                • Horus
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                  #88

                  FLOYD WILL COME AS #1, IN THE PEOPLES MIND AND GENERALLY IN THE SPORT.



                  Floyd is in the same position as Jordan, when Jordan retire the first time after he won 3 championships and he said he was bored with the sport.

                  Jordan wasnt the greatest ever at that point, but he was on the cusp of becoming that, but at that time Jordan was the best in the sport when he retired. And when he returned although he had been retire for 2 years, he still was the best in the sport even though Hakeem Olajuwon was dominating when Jordan was gone.

                  It is like this.

                  Generally Once you are considered the best, you do not lost that position in the people's mind until you lose in convincing fashion.


                  It happen with Tyson when he return to boxing after he went jail. he was still considered #1 even though he didnt fight for what 3 years.
                  but when he came back, he still was #1 in the people and majority of the sport mind that he was #1.

                  It Happen with Ali when he got banned from boxing. He came back @1
                  It Happen SRL when he retired from boxing because of his eye. He came back @1

                  and it will happen with Floyd when he comes back.
                  It is just the way it is...

                  Once Floyd comes back to the sport he will have all the expectations of being the #1 fighter in sport. MARK MY WORDS..

                  People will treat floyd the same way they treated him before he retired.as the #1 fighter in the sport.

                  they will treat him as the #1 fighter in the sport.


                  Last edited by Horus; 04-11-2009, 06:06 PM.

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                  • MR ITALIAN
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                    #89
                    Originally posted by vaborikua
                    id bet my money on pacman
                    you better save your money for that Cotto fight lol lol

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                    • El Dominicano
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                      #90
                      Originally posted by vaborikua
                      id bet my money on pacman
                      Bet your house and you'd be homeless

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