Can a Klitschko still be an ATG?

[ßringer]

Do they get KTFO by Rahman or McCall? And I mean really KTFO?

Wladimir did get up you know. Lewis was far more hurt than Wlad was and he is currently considered an ATG.

Lennox also fought in a much tougher era and has standout wins over guys like Ruddock, Tucker, Bruno, Morrison, Mercer, Golota, Briggs, Holyfield, Grant, Botha, Tua, Tyson, and Vitali himself.

Not to mention avenging his two losses with knockouts over McCall and Rahman.

[The Hammer]

I see your point.

But I'd rate Billy Conn, Leon Spinks, and Evander Holyfield as much tougher tasks than David Haye.

You, Bringer, are proof of what I said: no matter what they do they'll never be considered as ATGs by Americans.

(ready for a typical insulting Bringer reply )

You consider Briggs wins over Grant, a shot Tyson with a 14" reach disadvantage and huff-an-puff Shannon Briggs as good wins? Briggs really is a bum.

[ßringer]

You, Bringer, are proof of what I said: no matter what they do thel'll never be considered as ATGs by Americans.

(ready for a typical insulting Bringer reply )

I'm not going to insult you, there's no need.

You have your opinion, and I have mine.

I'm content in knowing that the majority of boxing fans are on my side in this one.

[BattlingNelson]

I see your point.

But I'd rate Billy Conn, Leon Spinks, and Evander Holyfield as much tougher tasks than David Haye.

Billy Conn was 59-10 and outweighed by 25 pounds when he fought Louis.

You made a slight typo with Spinks as I'm sure you know I'm talking about Spinks the younger. He was outweighed 22 pounds by Holmes. He is definetely greater than Haye. He also happened to beat Holmes.

Holyfield might have been better than Haye, but Tyson was by many considered the ATG HW at the time. No joke.

[StarshipTrooper]

Do they get KTFO by Rahman or McCall? And I mean really KTFO?

Wladimir did get up you know. Lewis was far more hurt than Wlad was and he is currently considered an ATG.

McCall and Rahman were far better fighters than Ross ****ing Purrity. Purrity was and is a joke which makes anyone who loses to him especially by KO an even bigger joke. Lennox Lewis lost twice against better fighters than any of Wlad's KO losses have been to. So stick that in your hammer and sickle and smoke it.

Poet

[Pullcounter]

I created this poll to get everyones opinion on either Klitschko brother ever becoming an ATG. There's few options so if your opinion is not up there, just issue it in a post.

Thanks for participating, everybody.

I think both can be ATG's if they just continue to do exactly what they are doing. I expect Vitali to retire after a few more fights if Wladimir doesn't get beaten again while VIT is active. After Vitali retires, Wlad will be the Lennox Lewis of this era and in my opinion will be valued just as much if he just keeps beating everyone in front of him.

As far as Vitali, he is a step ahead already. He has beaten two fighters Wlad has lost to in devastating fashion and of course continued lineage after the Lewis fight. If he gets a few more meaningful wins (unifying the WBA title, being one)with knockouts, he should be in place to be considered an ATG.

Post.....discuss. POLL TO FOLLOW........

because the overweight division is such garbage both K sisters will have to dominate and duplicate calzaghe's and hopkins feat of over 20 defenses before they can be considered ATG.

If the K sisters had better competition (like HOF type competition) and defeated them, no doubt they might be considered ATG already.

[ßringer]

Billy Conn was 59-10 and outweighed by 25 pounds when he fought Louis.

You made a slight typo with Spinks as I'm sure you know I'm talking about Spinks the younger. He was outweighed 22 pounds by Holmes. He is definetely greater than Haye. He also happened to beat Holmes.

Holyfield might have been better than Haye, but Tyson was by many considered the ATG HW at the time. No joke.

Oh I know how the Tyson hype was at the time. I was in 5th or 6th grade and even kids at my school were talking about that one.

Like I originally stated, I can see your point, what with particular Heavyweights getting more respect for beating a highly rated opponet coming up in weight, than X number of guys in their current division : It's all about timing.

Personally, I commend Wlad for taking the Haye fight. But the whole "secret" contract stipulations (If I lose, my brother is going to kick your ass) makes him seem somewhat soft to a general fan.

Who knows, in 5-10 years, I may change my opinion about Wlad's legacy.

But I doubt it.

Vitali really could've been something though. But that 4 year layoff pretty much ruined that. He was a star after the Lewis fight, people loved him. Myself included, I was very impressed.

But he retired for 4 years, and Wlad stacked up the better record.

[Chase8400]

That right there just tells you what a sad state the division is currently in.

That Wlad would need to gain respect by knocking out a Cruiserweight who he outweighs by 30lbs. A cruiserweight who's been dropped multiple times, and TKO'd by Carl Thompson.

Well, based on his styles Haye provides the kryptonite to Wlads superman abilities. Styles make the fights and if you fail to realize that Haye is a dangerous fighter, then that is on you. He's still better than anybody else that is in position right now and his mouth makes him entertaining.

Topping on the sundae: Holyfield was a cruiserweight at one point too. Your post holds no real weight.

[Roger Mellie]

If you define an ATG as someone who would have been a top fighter in any era,then probably not wlad,Vitali on the other hand would have been able to hold his own in just about any era.

[Chase8400]

I can honestly say, I don’t think Klitschkos would've been able to stick with the fighters of the 60’s-70’s-80’s.

I never considered the Klitschkos an ATG.

If you don't mind me asking. Why not? Why do you think they could not stick with the fighters of recent decades?