-
-
Bumpin' my thread. C'mon everyone. Climb up my poll. lolComment
-
The Klitschkos are great for the moment. They are in no way, shape, or form an ATG. Their era is trash, even Haye is trash. Yes I said Haye is trash.
Put this era up against past HW eras. This era will fail.... miserably.Comment
-
theyre legends in my eyesComment
-
I agree with this, they're the two most dominant heavies in the world and have been for a while now, to be an ATG you have to beat the best and unfortunately for these two they are the best and are brothers. I'd give a lot of credit to whichever one won. Of course though it'll never happen, which in reality is fair enough.Comment
-
People seem to have a hard time stomaching the new large mobile heavyweights. Willards or Carneras they are not. At 6'5" LL still has a hard time getting the respect he deserves, but he is an example of an evolution of the heavyweight boxer. LL, WK, VK are guys who would be very tough opposition to heavyweight boxers of any era. The teary eyes looking back at the golden era of the 70's need to get a grip because apples aren't apples anymore. There is only one easy way to compare how they would fare and that is by looking at an atg who crossed over the eras and who's style didn't change a helluva lot even with such a big jump in decades (possibly even improved). That man is big George.
George Foreman compared with LL, WK and VK isn't that big unfortunately for him, because when looking at his fights, he did appear alot bigger than his 70's opposition and he used superior size, height and power to out range and demolish foes. At 6'3.5" - 4" however he is somewhat shorter and MUCH slower than LL, WK or VK (by slower, I mean ****ing slower). Case in point with regards to size and power overmatch, I refer to another atg in Frasier. Frasier is an example of a heavyweight boxer hailing from that bygone era where men hit like horses and weighed 180 - 200lbs. He was a man who was worked to the bone as a young man and had much strength to show for it. He gave Ali the hardest fights of his life. Foreman knocked frasier the **** out twice. He completely ****ed him over and Frasier mounted no significant offense against slow as **** George at all. Watch the first fight and witness the destruction. Too small at 5'11", chin wasn't suited to a monster puncher, no hope of touching Foremans chin. Ali wouldn't fight George, he adopted laying on the ropes for 8 rounds before slapping a gassed GF to the floor. Ali himself towered over Liston and many other opponents at 6'3". This is probably a height that one could say is average these days with Oleg Maskaev, Hasim Rahman, Andrew Golota and Corrie Sanders all around this height.
Now fast forward to the 90's with big george reclaiming the heavyweight crown and yet losing to Tommy Morrison. Tommy was spanked by LL and no version of Tommy Morrison ever beats VK or WK. Axel Shultz is aleged to have beaten GF and gotten stiffed. Axel was owned in **** star fashion by WK. The 90's Big George is said to have much more patence and endurance plus all the power of his initial incarnation, yet he doesn't match up to the new bigger, MOBILE heavies as he was all power with technique and speed sorely lagging behind UNLIKE those that have come later.
I think the new, oversize heavies, especially the ones who are at the top of their game stack up with many advantages over their predecessors. When I watch LL fights, I notice they look like mismatches against the elite short fighters like David Tua, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Tommy Morrison, yet when he fought with similar skilled oversize heavies, the advantages looked much diminished, even in fights where he demolished eg Micheal Grant and Shannon Briggs or the to-and-fro fight against Vitali. Against those guys he looked far more vunerable and had to pull the stops out and stop fighting like a ***** as his hieght advantages were completely negated. Vitali was given all he could take against similarly sized Lewis, but lays the smackdown on all other shorter fighters bar Byrd in an injury loss and tall as hell German tomato can Timo Hoffman. Since his earlier defeats, Wlad has made every outing against top ten competition look like a mismatch, possibly bar the tompson fight where his vast skills were matched by a similarly tall and agile fighter with talent.
Looking at the past boxers with a serious lack of objectivity seems to be a common problem. I think past heavyweight boxers in the typical cruiserweight height and weight range may not even make the grade in this day and age. Frasier was given all he could handle by Oscar Bonavena, a tomato can from way back. Ali was dropped by massive loser Chuck Wepner. These guys were greats, but if you scour their records, they had off nights and dodgy losses. History rightly vindicates them, but at the same time damns the new breed of heavyweight. Simply dismissing the Klitschko's claim to boxing glory by refering to earlier ATG's from boxings golden era with massive bias is a mistake I believe.Comment
-
Where is the 'Both Klitschko's can still be ATG's' ?.Comment
-
Bumpin' my thread. Lets get er' goin people.Comment
Tweet
Comment