The myth about Chavez-Taylor needs to end

[Bhopreign]

Clean, effective punching.

Chavez was clearly more effective although I agree he was behind on the scorecards. It was no shutout though.

The judges had it a split decision in favour of Taylor.

Its not called clean effective punching, Lederman confuses people, its clean punching.

[Bhopreign]

clean punching is punches landed there is no hard punch meter so how do i know how hard a punch is.

affective aggression is a fighter that is very aggressive and landing punches while bein an aggressor, you don't have to be landin the harder punches to be the aggressor

Exactly....

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Its not called clean effective punching, Lederman confuses people, its clean punching.

hahaha Bhop Reign knows more then a licensed NY state boxing judge now!

[letsgobrady]

those 4 are bull****. you should judge a fight only on who does the most damage per round.defense is a must in boxing, because it minimixes damage done to you. so its just as important if not more important than offense.
effective aggression? wouldnt aggression be considered effective if youre the one doing more damage to your opponent than he is to you?
ring generalship is basically asking you 'whos winning the fight?'
and clean punches=more damage. so...

thats bull**** because most of the time people will assume the stronger man is doin the most damage and thats not neccesarilly true

[TheGreatA]

Interesting point

Watch round 2 from 4:00:

[Vasyl’s dad]

I haven't seen anyone claim it was a "lucky" punch. Any sensible person wouldn't argue this fact.

It's the time of the stoppage. You stop a fight to prevent the fighter from inflicting further damage, period. With only 2 seconds remaining, and with Chavez on the other side of the ring, will the clock still ticking, and Steele to still resume the action, it was a physical impossibility for Chavez to land, let alone throw another punch.

Two seconds is the time the clock was stopped. However, when the fight was waved off, there was at least 5 seconds remaining.

Shane Mosley in his match against Mayorga, showed what can happen with 5 seconds remaining on the clock,

another punch can be landed and isn't impossible.

[TheGreatA]

Its not called clean effective punching, Lederman confuses people, its clean punching.

The most important thing is effective aggressiveness. Now effective aggressiveness, some people think that’s the person moving forward — that’s not necessarily the most effective person, that’s just aggression. It’s who’s landing the most effective punches, whether it’s just boxing or jabbing, or it could be somebody counter-punching, taking a punch and countering with a harder punch. What I do is break a round into three one-minute segments. I practice watching a fight on TV trying to time things into one minute segments. After one minute mentally, I just say Fighter A is slightly ahead. So let’s say the second minute goes by and the other fighter does the same thing that Fighter A did, then I have Fighter B winning the second minute, and now I have it pretty close to an even round. So then it becomes who wins the last minute. That’s basically how I break it down.

- Chuck Giampa

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clean punching is punches landed there is no hard punch meter so how do i know how hard a punch is.

In Taylors case it was because his face is swellign up like a balloon and he was bleeding from the mouth and nose thru the entire fight.

Plus Chavez didn't even look like he was in a fight! Seriously when you are sitting ringside it's not that hard to tell the diffrence when you compare it to watching it on TV. Ringside you can feel the force of the Blows and you can see who's doing more damage.

[Steak]

Then why are those four even there then? It should be done by the rules whether judges actually go by it or not, and not what fans want to see. Boxing is a sport and shouldnt be based on gladiators fighting till the death.

theyre there, but all of those criterias just highlight the fact that damage is the end all be all. they all translate into 'whos doing the most damage?'

think about it. if youre winning all four of those catagories, youd be the one doing the most damage, right?

thats bull**** because most of the time people will assume the stronger man is doin the most damage and thats not neccesarilly true

thats why the people that assume such things cant score fights for ****. just because youre seen as the bigger puncher doesnt mean youre automatically the one landing the bigger punches. theres a lot more to it than that.

[letsgobrady]

when diaz and marquez fought diaz look to have landed the bigger punches but marquez was the one actually landin the harder punches as you can see as the fight goes on and juan diaz was the aggressor in the fight