Hatton Downplays Pacquiao's Win Over De La Hoya

[Dave Rado]

you can use statistics to prove anything... that just means 36% of of the voters are hatton haters.

plus hatton was coming off a KTFO loss to floyd and a very poor showing against a retired lazcano.

everyone knew that malignaggi didn't have the power to hurt hatton even if he landed the check hook at will.

You can win on points without hurting someone. Look at Ivan Calderon.

Your opinion about what that poll means is irrelevant - you said that no one thought Malignaggi would win, and regardless of the reason, a lot of people did think he would win.

And as I said, some fight preview articles I read predicted a Malignaggi win, and none of them predicted that Hatton would win as easily as he did. Most thought Hatton would be out-boxed for much of the fight but would win in the end due to his power. In fact it was Malignaggi who was out-boxed, and none of the previews I read predicted that.

[mrlopez]

Well, ofcourse ricky will downplay Pac beating Oscar...As impressive as Ricky's welterweight performance were,who wouldnt.

Co-Sign, that was very unfortunate that he said that, but oh well, when he wakes up in the ring after the smelling salt is given to him, i'd like to see what he has to say then

[Pullcounter]

You can win on points without hurting someone. Look at Ivan Calderon.

yeah but malignaggi isn't calderon

Your opinion about what that poll means is irrelevant - you said that no one thought Malignaggi would win, and regardless of the reason, a lot of people did think he would win.

that's what polls are used for. you interpret polls.

And as I said, some fight preview articles I read predicted a Malignaggi win, and none of them predicted that Hatton would win as easily as he did. Most thought Hatton would be out-boxed for much of the fight but would win in the end due to his power. In fact it was Malignaggi who was out-boxed, and none of the previews I read predicted that.

you'lll never have fight where all boxing writers always choose the favorite.

on all 3 points = fail.

[Benny Leonard]

omg you're just digging yourself into deeper **** by explaining more. so are you to say that these doctors/nutritionist in oskie's camp know nothing of the statements you put out?

we all know oskie aint prime, that's why the fight was done! would jmm dream of fighting PRIME oscar at ww? would donaire fight PRIME pacman at lightweight? the out of prime vs the size diff was the premise in the dream match and everybody knows that.

so your examples of ali-holmes, etc are moot and it doesnt apply. they were all at the same weight!

What did Oscar's Doctor say?
I'm curious.

What did Freddie say about Oscar's nutritionist and diet?


Losing weight to lose weight (for a normal person) is different than losing weight for an athlete that has to be effective.

Many problems happen when you diet. Your body needs Protein, Carbs, and Fat if you are an athlete. Hormones rely on what you eat and Carbs and Fat are essential to keeping your hormone levels stable.
If you stress your body out to much, you are going to hurt the equilibrium of your body and have a better chance of showing up "Flat."

Oscar was said to be 147 pounds that night. He stripped his body of muscle and vital energy. He wasn't able to put on the normal 10+ pounds.

Your body is fueld by what you eat. It's how you train and eat.

Oscar should have never concerned himself about how light he wanted to be. All he had to do is make the weight for the scales and put the weight back on. But, he messed up big and wanted to come in "light" and lost the weight way to fast by burning off muscle.

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What did Oscar's Doctor say?
I'm curious.

What did Freddie say about Oscar's nutritionist and diet?


Losing weight to lose weight (for a normal person) is different than losing weight for an athlete that has to be effective.


Many problems happen when you diet. Your body needs Protein, Carbs, and Fat if you are an athlete. Hormones rely on what you eat and Carbs and Fat are essential to keeping your hormone levels stable.
If you stress your body out to much, you are going to hurt the equilibrium of your body and have a better chance of showing up "Flat."

Oscar was said to be 147 pounds that night. He stripped his body of muscle and vital energy.

Your body is fueld by what you eat.

I think you should give up, mate.

The majority of posters on here do not understand factual based logic.

If this thread had read, "Hatton praises Pacquiao's win over De La Hoya and claims De La Hoya was comfortable at the weight and in top fighting condition. Pacquiao is the greatest that ever lived." I think this thread would be in total agreement and Hatton would be loved...

[Dave Rado]

yeah but malignaggi isn't calderon

That's not the point, that was an analogy, which you must be aware of, so it's disingenious of you to take it literally.

The point is that you implied that it is impossible to win a decision in boxing unless you can hurt your opponent, and that is simply not true.

that's what polls are used for. you interpret polls.

You can try interpret the poll all you like but no honest interpretation of it could mean that no one thought Malignaggi would win. Which was what you claimed.

Your interpretation of the poll was that people thought he would win because they were Hatton haters. Hatton haters are still people, so whether you were right or not about that doesn't change the fact that they thought Malignaggi would win. And you claimed that no one thought that.

you'lll never have fight where all boxing writers always choose the favorite.

You said that no one thought Malignaggi would win, and you were wrong.

[Chunk..]

Hatton isn't allowed to give an a opinion on anything with people on here scrutinising it! That goes for nearly all Brit fighters who have a view on boxing.

[Bogler]

What did Oscar's Doctor say?
I'm curious.

What did Freddie say about Oscar's nutritionist and diet?


Losing weight to lose weight (for a normal person) is different than losing weight for an athlete that has to be effective.

Many problems happen when you diet. Your body needs Protein, Carbs, and Fat if you are an athlete. Hormones rely on what you eat and Carbs and Fat are essential to keeping your hormone levels stable.
If you stress your body out to much, you are going to hurt the equilibrium of your body and have a better chance of showing up "Flat."

Oscar was said to be 147 pounds that night. He stripped his body of muscle and vital energy. He wasn't able to put on the normal 10+ pounds.

Your body is fueld by what you eat. It's how you train and eat.

Oscar should have never concerned himself about how light he wanted to be. All he had to do is make the weight for the scales and put the weight back on. But, he messed up big and wanted to come in "light" and lost the weight way to fast by burning off muscle.

you dont have to explain all those diet **** here, contact oscar's nutrionist and teach him. and now you're a believer in roach, i bet you'd hire him as a nutrionist too against a certified one LOL. and all of your statements are in hindsight, how convenient haha.

[Pullcounter]

That's not the point, that was an analogy, which you must be aware of, so it's disingenious of you to take it literally.

The point is that you implied that it is impossible to win a decision in boxing unless you can hurt your opponent, and that is simply not true.

I never implied that it is impossible to win a decision in boxing unless you can hurt your opponent.

I implied that malignaggi doesn't have the power to deter hatton.

You can try interpret the poll all you like but no honest interpretation of it could mean that no one thought Malignaggi would win. Which was what you claimed.

Your interpretation of the poll was that people thought he would win because they were Hatton haters. Hatton haters are still people, so whether you were right or not about that doesn't change the fact that they thought Malignaggi would win. And you claimed that no one thought that.

yeah but hatton haters are irrelevant because they are too biased against ricky.

You said that no one thought Malignaggi would win, and you were wrong.

some people just take on the underdog, that doesn't mean they didn't really think hatton wouldn't win.

[Benny Leonard]

you dont have to explain all those diet **** here, contact oscar's nutrionist and teach him. and now you're a believer in roach, i bet you'd hire him as a nutrionist too against a certified one LOL. and all of your statements are in hindsight, how convenient haha.

If you ever followed ALL of what I said about Roach you would understand my position. But you will pick and choose as you wish.

Just because you are a "nutritionist" doesn't make you right...does it?
He was proved wrong based on his results so obviously he did something wrong or maybe he was in new territory with trying to get Oscar down in weight so fast (which I did hear but not sure how true it was); which is still the same thing. Doctors, Scientists, Nutritionists, Trainers, etc. debate all the time and they don't always agree. This is why they are hired and fired all the time in elite sports. Only the best can stick around and they are few.

Roach went on history and experience through years of learning. He said he knew as soon as he saw Oscar at the weigh-in he lost to much...as well as pointing out what he heard about his diet and training.

And no, my statements aren't all in hindsight. I said before the fight, while they were showing the weigh-in, that Oscar could show up "flat" based on what history has shown us with fighters his age, inactivity level, trying to make weight, and injury.

Did I think it would be like a Chris Byrd situation? Hell No. My comparison was more on the lines of Tszyu vs. Hatton.
I thought Oscar would have put weight back on. I wasn't following that was it with him; that he would not put weight back on and that he had stayed at that weight for a while. I don't have the luxury of being in Oscar's camp and knowing what is going on.

Why do we research/investigate something? Specifically after the fact?

Why do we do an autopsy?


It's easier to see after the fact because we can study it layer by layer as the information reveales itself.

Why was Pac KO'd twice?
I've heard what some others said, but what is your take?


Other than that, that's about it.