Who has a better Legacy??? Hopkins or Jones

[ßringer]

Not much different result but the beating would be worse.

Precisely. And thank you.

no question about it bhop finishes him off if he were younger.

Precisely, again. And again, thank you.

[IMDAZED]

no question about it bhop finishes him off if he were younger.

Nah, not the 2001-2004 version. Maybe the 97-99 version.

Just sayin...

[Dan...]

Im not JUST blaming weight on this fight bringer.. .Im not... I saw the fight... I saw the angles, movement and activity Bernard gave Kelly...

But Jermain isnt slow on his feet either... and at 160 lbs... Kellys stayed with Jermain the entire fight..

I realize Bernard and Jermain are different style fighters... but Kelly looked slow, sluggish and flat footed.. and didnt look content to barely throw a jab... Personally... I blame the weight increase... at 166, he wasnt as good at 160.. and at 170.. he was even worse.

I also blame Bernard Hopkins.... for the love.... of all that is sacred.

I agree with this assessment. That fight and its outcome was definately a combination of Kelly's ineffectiveness (either due to the weight or other factors) and Bernard's greatness.

Obviously if the fight is prime on prime at 160 it is even more one-sided and Hopkins demolishes Kelly. Obviously.

[THE REED]

Bernard didnt knock out Antuwon Echols, Syd vanderpool

and all the sudden hes knocking out Kelly Pavlik?

[Chr0nic]

Bernard didnt knock out Antuwon Echols, Syd vanderpool, or carl god damn daniels..

and all the sudden hes knocking out Kelly Pavlik?

if PRIME bernard fought the same kelly pavlik that he did he woulda knocked him out yes, bernard does'nt even have much power now and shook pavlik a couple of times.....i think... i gotta watch that fight again

[IMDAZED]

Bernard didnt knock out Antuwon Echols, Syd vanderpool, or carl god damn daniels..

and all the sudden hes knocking out Kelly Pavlik?

Hopkins stopped Echols and Carl Daniels.

[ßringer]

Im not JUST blaming weight on this fight bringer.. .Im not... I saw the fight... I saw the angles, movement and activity Bernard gave Kelly...

But Jermain isnt slow on his feet either... and at 160 lbs... Kellys stayed with Jermain the entire fight..

I realize Bernard and Jermain are different style fighters... but Kelly looked slow, sluggish and flat footed.. and didnt look content to barely throw a jab... Personally... I blame the weight increase... at 166, he wasnt as good at 160.. and at 170.. he was even worse.

I also blame Bernard Hopkins.... for the love.... of all that is sacred.

I can see where you're coming from, and I appreciate you input. But I just want to address the bolded part real quick.

You don't think that had anything to do with Jermain's fight plan?

I mean, Taylor was desperate for respect in the first fight. People thought Wright beat him, people were pissed that he was fighting smaller men (Ouma, Spinks), people were even more pissed at his performances against said smaller men (The Spinks fight being the most boring fight ever recorded, Ouma going the distance with him), etc....

Jermain came in wanting to knock Kelly out. And he almost did.....almost. But he fought Kelly's fight, and punched himself out. And when the time came for him to turn it around, he didn't have the energy to.

Then look at the second fight, where Jermain keeps to his boxing gameplan. A lot of people felt Jermain won that fight.

[Chunk..]

In the prime of their careers - Roy was a better Boxer then Bernard. Roy had an extensive amateur career and honed his skills. B-Hop often says he got his lessons on the streets of Philly and in Prison.

I think Bernard as of now has a better resume then Roy, but Roy getting that Heavyweight title and that win over Bernard back in 93 puts Roy on top IMO.

[THE REED]

Hopkins stopped Echols and Carl Daniels.

well in the second fight... he did...

I get a mulligan.

[IMDAZED]

I can see where you're coming from, and I appreciate you input. But I just want to address the bolded part real quick.

You don't think that had anything to do with Jermain's fight plan?

I mean, Taylor was desperate for respect in the first fight. People thought Wright beat him, people were pissed that he was fighting smaller men (Ouma, Spinks), people were even more pissed at his performances against said smaller men (The Spinks fight being the most boring fight ever recorded, Ouma going the distance with him), etc....

Jermain came in wanting to knock Kelly out. And he almost did.....almost. But he fought Kelly's fight, and punched himself out. And when the time came for him to turn it around, he didn't have the energy to.

Then look at the second fight, where Jermain keeps to his boxing gameplan. A lot of people felt Jermain won that fight.

Thank you. Count me among the people who wouldn't have complained if Taylor had gotten the decision against Pavlik in the rematch.